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Subject: [Leica] THANKS : PAW 46 - Phx's - Triangulation THANKS
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (Philippe Amard)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:49:46 +0100
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Thanks to the many who offered opinions, comments or criticism,
Specials thanks to the wonderful editors who sent on or off-list 
versions of my image, much appreciated (Prosit Douglas ;-)  !).
And very, very special thanks, merci, to Moose whose 
contribution/tuition (enclosed below if I may) will remain a cornerstone 
in the way I'll be viewing my takes in the future.

Thanks all again.
Bien cordialement de Metz
Philippe, so lucky to share with such guys/gals as you all.

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Moose wrote :

I like the image a lot. Although it has many faults, the palpable sense 
of engagement of the people with each other is wonderfully caught. The 
eye posiitn of the man in the middle is priceless.

I like the crop better, although I believe there are others also better 
than the whole frame. Like Chuck, I find the arm on the woman's chair 
back very distracting. One of the strengths of your crop is eliminating 
that arm.

I believe that looking at the strengths and weaknesses of an image 
first, before thinking about crops, can be beneficial. Here, the 
strengths I see are in the faces, especially the way they are animated 
and engaged with each other. A major weaknesses, for me is the way 
several elements are brighter than the primary subjects, particularly 
the woman. 
<http://www.moosemystic.net/Gallery/Others/Amard/Triangulation.htm>

So I first dropped the arm waaay down. If one pays attention to it, the 
light on it is obviously wrong. However, if I am successful in moving 
attention to the people, that won't be a problem. The next problem is 
all the bright things that should not be central subject matter, but our 
eyes seem naturally to be drawn to the light. The wall lights, brightly 
lit wall itself and the tablecloth, which is a huge blob of bright white 
filling the whole foreground all are problems..

So I pulled down the highlights overall, and did a bit more for the big 
wall light and wall behind it. I also pulled up the shadows. this 
brought up the people, so that overall, and especially in their faces, 
they are able to compete with the now somewhat tamed other elements.

Now it was time to consider crops. First, I just tightened up the basic 
subject, cutting down on the foreground and losing irrelevant 
surroundings. At least to me, the image immediately gains 
energy/intensity. The human interaction is intensified.

Then I tightened up even more, intensifying the focus on the people. Now 
the problem arm becomes even less noticeable. It can't be eliminated 
without harm to the presence of the woman, but it's no longer an issue. 
As extraneous material is lost on the bottom and right, the painting, as 
both human and now the only other significant object, starts to become 
part of the group, so I gave it a bit more breathing room.

I considered cropping right into the head on the left. it makes it more 
intense, but I know cutting heads in half bothers some people. If the 
painting weren't there, I would crop much more off the top, letting a 
strong horizontal form strengthen the connection between the people.

Finally, I did a version of your crop, although, like Andrew, I thought 
it needed a bit more air on the right.

Moose




Philippe Amard wrote:

> PAW 46 is up, but I'm still wondering if the crop
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> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/PAW-2009/2009-PAW-46-Triangulation-1140498.jpg.html
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> is any better than the original shot.
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> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/PAW-2009/2009-PAW-46-Triangulation-1140498-2.jpg.html
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> Thanks in anticipation for on or off-list input or feedback
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> Best from Metz
> Phx
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