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Subject: [Leica] the ultimate digest Leica criticism thread
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:41:27 -0800
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On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:29 PM, H. Ball Arche wrote:

> When did they start using Ritalin for ADHD?
>
> I don't seem to recall that Tommy being around after that. Nothing  
> was made of the matter, at least where us kids would hear of it, but  
> I think Tommy got yanked.


no idea, but it has become,  I think, too easy to diagnose any goofy  
kid with ADHD and start Ritalin...

not sure when the beginning was,

but the drug has been much more used in the last 10-15 years.


Steve

>
> I taught in a private school once where we had a number of kids who  
> were ADHD but unmedicated. The kids wouldn't have been allowed to  
> continue in the public school system without medication, and their  
> parents were affluent enough to send them to the private school and  
> keep the kids off script.
>
> None of the staff was trained for this, and the school's supposed  
> emphasis was on top-quality academics. However, the market base in  
> that town was so small that to maintain enrollment we had to keep  
> these kids (usually all the sibs came too, as part of the package of  
> taking the ADHD ones). It made for a tough learning situation, and  
> it was definitely true that just a small number of kids caused an  
> adverse condition that affected whole grade-classes.
>
> I had one kid who, as soon as I wasn't looking, would start breaking  
> things - I mean pick up a hammer and pound pound pound. This was in  
> an art class. An incredibly smart and articulate guy, but so much  
> energy that reason couldn't get past his restless need for violent  
> motion.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 6:06:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] the ultimate digest Leica criticism thread
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 3:56 PM, H. Ball Arche wrote:
>
>> A vivid memory from 3rd grade: Tommy Mandel, bug-eyed and gagged,  
>> tied to his seat with jump ropes, and STILL he had that desk  
>> skittering around the room. We were all OK with it. He'd been put  
>> there by sweet, tiny, ancient Mrs. Coles, a paragon of kindness.
>>
>> It was 1964 and there wasn't a name for ADHD yet.
>
>
> I wonder if gags and jump ropes worked better than  Ritalin?
>
>
> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Steve Unsworth <lug at steveunsworth.co.uk>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 5:01:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] the ultimate digest Leica criticism thread
>>
>> Just a quick question Ted, did you treat your own children in the  
>> same way
>> when they were at home? Lock them in cupboards for hours maybe, or  
>> banged
>> their heads against a table if they answered a question incorrectly?
>>
>> If not, do you think they would have been better people if you had?
>>
>> We had some sadistic teachers when I was at school too. I remember  
>> one
>> occasion in a German lesson where the teacher lost his temper with  
>> a pupil,
>> put his head in the desk and repeatedly banded the top of the desk  
>> on the
>> back of his head, not as a punishment but purely and simply because  
>> he'd
>> lost both his temper and his control. Others were throwing board  
>> dusters
>> around. Another - a P.E. Teacher - used to watch the young boys  
>> when they
>> were taking a shower. I could go on.
>>
>> I normally agree with you Ted, but I think you are wrong in promoting
>> control by fear. If kids misbehave it's because of the parents IMHO.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On 2/11/09 22:02, "tedgrant at shaw.ca" <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeeeeeeeeeeeeshhhhhhhh you know I'm one of those old guys who  
>>> believes one
>>> good smack deserves another if you still don't behave! It's called
>>> discipline! And respect!
>>
>>
>>
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