Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/07/30

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Subject: [Leica] S2 release dates and prices
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:57:54 +1000
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Frank, Leica management have a different view to you on the viability and
purposes of the S system. There has been a lot of emphasis too on the
benefits of the new technology being now in house for future developments
too.

On your Hasselblad film system, the S system is very different in form,
features and functions.
The 2x 500 lb gorillas are that it is digital, and auto focus, to state the
bleeding obvious;-)
Leica estimates the total world medium format market at 100,000 units per
year and want to gain a proportion of that. Clearly someone is buying new
systems.

On R10, I was sitting there when the decision was announced. I listened to
Stefan Daniel. I understand enough German to confirm the translation
provided to me.
"There will be no digital SLR camera by Leica and no R10. But there will be
and we are working on this, a suitable solution to allow the use of R lenses
digitally....
Nothing to do with the S2. Not before next Photokina".


2009/7/30 Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net>

> I really think the point is that to recoup all the R+D dollars, Leica needs
> a return on investmernt.  Getting me ( expanding market ) to buy a S2 would
> be that return.
>
> I have a full Hassy film system. So do a lot of pros.
>
> Read Mark's response.....  the joys of having saved that great Zeiss
> glass.....
>
> What is the angle to get me (Mr Hassy film system owner) to switch?
>
> I do not see one.......and thus the full market problem....
>
> Comment on R10..... don't bet they have decided to abandon the "35mm" SLR
> market.....   It may not be called an R10, but my money is on the fact that
> an SLR that uses the R Mounted lenses is in our future......
>
> Frank Filippone
> red735i at earthlink.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+red735i=earthlink.net at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i <lug-bounces%2Bred735i>=earthlink.net@
> leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Geoff Hopkinson
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:22 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 release dates and prices
>
>  Frank, Leica does not expect you to be their market for the S2 system. It
> is
> aimed at a portion of the market that now buys or leases Hasselblad, for
> example.
> As the sensor does not have the anti aliasing function, Leica considers
> that
> its image quality will be competitive with 50MP designs. As far as I know,
> there are no publicly available files from production models yet. Let's see
> what it actually does when it gets into service.
> No point pining for the R10 as we all now know. As for a 24x36 sensor M9,
> if
> and when it arrives,  I think you might have to save a little longer.
> Doesn't seem likely to come to market priced lower than the M8.2?
>
> 2009/7/30 Frank Filippone <red735i at earthlink.net>
>
> > Reality, or lack thereof, still reigns supreme at Leica.....
> >
> > Get me my full frame M9 and R10.
> >
> > Frank Filippone
> > red735i at earthlink.net
> >
> > If I am making real money with my photos, I will so jump on this.
> > Heck, for $32K+ for a body and lens, may be I would buy two :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Geoff
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>
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-- 
Cheers
Geoff
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Replies: Reply from red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] S2 release dates and prices)
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