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Subject: [Leica] M8 Sharpening filter use - was: full sized samples
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:49:37 +1000
References: <8CBB0E75F8F814D-168C-3F7@webmail-dh01.sysops.aol.com>

Wow Pete, that is quite a provocative opening proclamation.
Can we see some of your work?

2009/6/2 <pedxin at aol.com>

> Bravo Jayanand! Of course your words are rational and sensible and
> agreeable to 99.9% of the world, photographers and picture editors and
> clients alike, but unfortunately on a list or site with a camera brand-name
> in the header, you're bound to encounter a few who fall in the other 0.1%,
> who believe they know better, see better, and shoot better than everybody
> else.?? As long as you sit on the sidelines and laugh at their arrogant
> proclamations, it can be humorously entertaining.? Lowering yourself into
> the mud pit and grappling with them, not so much.?
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> (Pedro Xavier Iglesia-Novares)
>
> "Doug,
>
> You are still missing the point. I do not have to try one at all. I am
> sure it is a fantastic camera, and we all know the quality of lenses
> available. I trust all of you when you say what you do. But when
> someone says that it is better because it saves him adding a layer of
> sharpening, I have to laugh! BTW, I have yet to see moire in the Nikon
> D300 I shoot, and as you know, I shoot a lot of stripes (-: !!
>
> My argument is not about the capture device, but about the final
> output. I have plenty, and I mean dozens of actual holdable prints
> taken with a M8, and as you know I have a few of yours taken with a
> DMR. I cannot see a difference up to A3 size ( which is all I have)
> between a Leica, or a Nikon, or a Canon. Whether this entails a little
> more PP, or a little less PP is totally besides the point. Maybe at
> larger sizes it might be apparent, but I cannot say as I have not seen
> Leica digital prints of those sizes (I have seen dozens of prints
> taken with Nikon & Canon, and I cant make out differences between
> equivalent bodies there either).
>
> I remember being almost lynched on this group when the M8 came out
> saying that it was very expensive for what it offered. Immediately the
> same arguments you made above were trotted out - that I had no
> business commenting without trying one, and after that I have been
> wary of getting into these equipment related digressions, knowing how
> sensitive the issue is. I think one has to be less emotional about
> equipment, and more demanding about the final, finished output. When I
> hold a print in my hand I couldn't care less about whether the
> photograph was shot digitally or on film, whether it was cropped
> digital, 35mm or a 8x10, or whether the camera had an AA filter or
> not.
>
> The list would be a poorer place if  criticisms were shouted down, and
> disagreements were not allowed to be aired.
>
> Cheers
> Jayanand"
>
>
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Cheers
Geoff
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