Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/02/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Marco, get a Minox (true Z-scale) . ;-) make sure the model you get has the Complan lens. Seth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark@rabinergroup.com> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [Leica] Erwin reviews new Summilux >I have LTM stuff. A IIIF and three lenses; some finders. > The image circle its designed to work around is 43.3 just like the M > system > but for some reason it just seems all to be a smaller scale. > If my LTM stuff is H0 scale then the M stuff seems to be a S train set. > http://www.internethobbies.com/inmodtrain.html > > Its like someone took a bicycle pump to the stuff. > Now with this new line of super wide Noctilux its gone to 0 scale train > set > size. Whose got a basement big enough? > Not very Leica like. The stuff weights a ton. > And considering what nine tens of its job description is all about there's > not excuse for it. Lots of money and weight and time and materials goes > into > making sure a Leica lens unlike other companies don't stuff off at all at > the edges. Any Pentax or Minolta company cam make a lens which is sharp in > the center and cost a hundred bucks. Leica glass cost thousands and are > sharp out to the edges much more so. > What a waste! > I do have an Olympus Pen Ft set (N trainset scale) and I know what that > looks like and feels like to pick up in my hands. > I also know what Nikon DX glass looks like next to most of its full frame > counterparts. And its relative price advantage. > Its a waste having monster full frame glass doing half frame photography. > The smaller and image scale a lens is designed to work with the sharper > its > Circle of confusion is going to be and the cheaper its going to be to > make. > With the exception of Z scale gear which requires micro brain salad > surgery > to put the battery in. > > The Summarits' are not that small. They still go with my S Scale train > set. > > The new 24/3.2 is my kind of lens. > > Smaller, slower and therefore cheaper. > The slow lane was always offered in the Leica catalog. > I predict that for every 1.4 they sell they sell 5 3.2 24's. > They'll realize the value of compactness. > And not bicycle pump ness. > And consider making the next lens for the image circle which its going to > be > used for. > People will order two. One for each car. > > > Mark William Rabiner > > > >> From: <grduprey@mchsi.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:32:40 +0000 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Erwin reviews new Summilux >> >> >> >> Mark, >> >> >> They are already sharper than any other digital camera can record, how >> sharp >> to you want? My 28 Elmarit Asph is dam small and light already, in fact >> my >> complaint is that the grip ring is to narrow to get a good grip to mount >> the >> lens and remove it. Any smaller and I could not use it. If it was any >> sharper, I could not tell anyway. There is also the 35 Summilux pre-asph, >> the >> 50 Summicron, how much smaller do you want. All the Summarits are small >> and >> light weight. I have not handled the new 24/3.2, but I suspect it is much >> smaller than the Elmarit and the new Summilux for sure. Looks to me like >> they >> are already giving you what you want. >> >> >> Gene -------------- Original message from Mark Rabiner >> <mark@rabinergroup.com>: -------------- >> >> >>> A lens optimized to the format it's working in has advantages. >>> They would not just be cheaper they'd be sharper. >>> And smaller. >>> And lighter. >>> All very Leica M or Leica LTM valued characteristics. >>> >>> But only if it seemed they for real are not going to be going full >>> frame. >>> Meaning not anytime in the foreseeable future. >>> >>> ... Which is what it looks like to me. >>> >>> >>> It's not that they'd be "cheaper". >>> They'd cost what they should cost. >>> >>> IN the 90's or before we'd not pay for a 4 thousand dollar Hasselblad >>> lens >>> to adapt to a 35mm camera when we are shooting 35mm. Shoot the format >>> your >>> glass is. >>> >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group >>>> Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:58:18 +0000 >>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Erwin reviews new Summilux >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They have said all along that they would produce a full frame camera >>>> when it >>>> became practible. So why make a reduced coverage set of Digital lenses? >>>> The >>>> Summarits and 28 Elmarit Asph, and the new 24/3.4 are all priced at a >>>> lower >>>> more reasonable price range similar to the Zeiss lenses. No need to >>>> make >>>> cheaper Digital lenses. >>>> >>>> >>>> Gene -------------- Original message from Ric Carter : >>>> -------------- >>>> >>>> >>>>> Surely a cheaper, smaller Leica lens could be produced for the M8 >>>>> since the circle of coverage would be smaller. It would have at least >>>>> those two advantages. >>>>> >>>>> Still, we see and hear only of compatible (read full 35mm frame) >>>>> lenses. >>>>> >>>>> So, maybe this indicates that Leica sees a full 35mm frame sensor in >>>>> its future? >>>>> >>>>> Ric Carter >>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/ricc/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No, no, no, no Mark. >>>>>> No because they already make a new range of extremely compact modest >>>>>> aperture lenses, the Summarits. >>>>>> Those are tiny, relatively cheaper and have nearly all of the >>>>>> performance of >>>>>> the other modern designs but still covering your full 35mm crop >>>>>> circle. >>>>>> No because the M8 sensor capturea a stunning amount of information >>>>>> from >>>>>> their best glass already. >>>>>> No because the resolution of the M8 sensor is already appropriate if >>>>>> you >>>>>> want to go mathematical and calculate crop circles of confusion. >>>>>> No because any 'DX' lens would be useless on the film Ms that Leica >>>>>> still >>>>>> makes. >>>>>> No because any 'DX' lens would be useless on any future 35mm sensor >>>>>> M >>>>>> camera. >>>>>> >>>>>> The extra capability mentioned with the Elmar 24 for example is the >>>>>> performance in the outer field which is not recorded by the M8 'crop >>>>>> circle' >>>>>> Performance in the extrem corners is pretty academic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Did I mention no? ;-) >>>>>> >>>>>> 2009/1/31 Mark Rabiner >>>>>> >>>>>>> These super lenes by Leica to be used at a fraction of a fraction >>>>>>> of its >>>>>>> capabilities on an M8 with a 1.33 crop factor its enough but not >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>> enough to get someone to shoot film. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leica could make some killer DX lenes for the M8. >>>>>>> Incredibly sharp compact glass designed for the 1.33 crop circle >>>>>>> factor. >>>>>>> Film shooters are getting to be the tip of the iceberg of a niche. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A niche niche. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Geoff >>>>>> Weather is here, wish you were beautiful >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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