Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/12/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]To follow-up Nathan's comment, I have a Nikon D300 set-up with a 11-17 Tokina and an 18-55mm 2.8 along with my M6 and various lenses. My experience with the D300 is that it's amazingly versatile but often, I find myself thinking of it as I do my M6. For example, I have never been fully satisfied with the automatic focus even though it has 51 points plus something called silent wave focusing. Many times, I simply switch over to manual. I will use it on aperture priority and set the lens to wide open and go from there. But - I like the tactile sense of using the M6 and go back there many times while leaving the D300 in the bag. Then...after shooting ten rolls and getting them developed with CD's the cost jumps out at me. I love the format of the M6 and the versatility of the D300, too. That makes me think that an M8 may be in my future.... Robert Clark Lancaster, PA -------------- Original message -------------- From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@frozenlight.eu> > Well, Marc, I consider myself serious, in terms of the money, the > time, and the commitment to photography. I am not famous, and I earn > my pay in other ways, but I still consider myself "serious" (indeed, > my wife even claims that I am a killjoy...) > > I have owned various cameras in various formats over the years. My > experience with the M8 is little more than a week at this point. But I > have already seen enough to say that it is the best digital camera for > my needs that I have ever owned. > > And please do not start talking about Canon wide angles; they were one > of the reasons why I switched from Canon to Olympus, despite the > smaller sensor. > > Nathan > > Nathan Wajsman > Alicante, Spain > http://www.frozenlight.eu > http://www.greatpix.eu > http://www.nathanfoto.com > > Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0 > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > > > > On Dec 20, 2008, at 7:22 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote: > > > Talking about the "quality" of the M8 sensor against the "quality" > > of the > > sensors most serious amateurs and pros are using is a blurring of a > > simplification of the issue. > > Like talking about the "Quality" of a film Hasselblad over a Canon > > camera. > > Or the "Quality" of a Nikon over an Olympus FT. > > "Quality" has surprisingly little to do with it. > > Its real estate. And not location location location but: > > Size of the plot. Acreage. Square feet. Square yards. Meter. > > FORMAT. > > The build of the camera has little to do with it. > > The wonderfulness of how flat it holds the film.... > > > > A cheap termite ridden 4x5 will give a way superior image over roll > > film > > every time... With a fungus ridden optic on it. It doesn't even have > > to try > > very hard. Tap dance on your wet negs on your darkroom floor. Its > > hard to > > mess of the brilliant superiority of sheet film. > > > > The M8 is a half frame camera. Digital. But half frame > > The rest of the serious shooting world has moved up to full 24x36 > > frame. > > The sensor can be really great which I'm sure it is but its not > > going to go > > up against a sensor twice its length across. > > It's not going to go up against a HALF ASSED sensor twice its length > > across. > > > > In another time warp dimension What if Barnack decided not to go > > "double > > frame" which was what 24x36 was then called then but was intractable > > in the > > ongoing working movie film frame size at the time called "single > > frame" or > > 18x24???? > > We'd not be talking about Barnack at this point because no one would > > have > > heard of him and this would be the Leica historic list not the Leica > > users > > list.. > > Leica would have been quickly eclipsed by Nikon and Canon and Pentax > > in the > > 30's and it would be a distant memory of a microscope company who > > made real > > high quality half frame cameras in the 20's then went under in the > > 30's > > depression. > > And that's what could happen now. > > With the S2 aimed squarely at one out of 100 thousand pros and serious > > amateurs who have a decimal point less cash to blow on gear than is > > the > > price point of the S2. > > 20,000 big E's. > > > > What does Leica have which is going to go up against a Nikon D3, D3x > > or D700 > > with a 14-24 2.8 ultra wide zoom on it > > or a Canon full frame with their ultra wide zoom on it? ...... > > .... A Zoom Super Wide Angle EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM AutoFocus Lens? > > > > > > (whatever Canon has which is going to go up against Nikons 14-24 2.8 > > you're > > going to have to tune in next week for. As that's how long it will > > take > > Canon to reply to the Nikon challenge. NOT the end of next summer) > > Days not seasons. > > > > > > > > mark@rabinergroup.com > > Mark William Rabiner > > > > > > > >> From: Lottermoser George > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group > >> Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:24:41 -0600 > >> To: Leica Users Group > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] un-believable > >> > >> I'll take the fine detail and dynamic range > >> over > >> the high ISO auto noise reduction > >> every time > >> > >> Would I like ISO 64,000 with no noise > >> AND the M8 detail and dynamic range > >> You bet. Maybe someday I'll have it. > >> > >> For now. Simply love the M8 and the photographs it produces. > >> > >> Fond regards, > >> George > >> > >> george@imagist.com > >> http://www.imagist.com > >> http://www.imagist.com/blog > >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist > >> > >> > >> > >> On Dec 19, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Sonny Carter wrote: > >> > >>>> The M8 has been out since 2006. So has the D80. Each camera has > >>>> 10.1 > >>>> megapixels, decent noise per ISO, but the price was very different. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information