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Subject: [Leica] Archival 4x6 Prints?
From: mark at (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri Dec 12 21:07:56 2008

The current thought on inkjet printing is for archival you don't want dye's
you want pigment. I may be someone has come out with some dyes with archival
I think are images are archival in the digital form if when have enough hard
drives laying around with overlap.
In the print form for things to be archival you'd print them on 100% rag
archival paper with pigment. With a choice of many papers and printers.

In our previous darkroom life our prints have held up well with two fixes
and selenium toning but our negs are going to hold up better.

I don't think now things are digital they've changed much.

The problem or issue is that negs or scans are raw data not finished
products; so they don't really represent us.

We don't want an Ansel Adams negative for our collection.
Tis what he does with them which counts.

A photographer like Hass whose body of work is Kodachrome that's when
there's a blurred overlap in this logic. As people like that would often
just have a print made from their Kodachrome slide form an above average lap
and hang a show.
Its the slides which count.
Their data seems less "raw" than negs.
Mark William Rabiner

> From: Ken Carney <>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <>
> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:07:05 -0600
> To: 'Leica Users Group' <>
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Archival 4x6 Prints?
> George,
> Do you know if the HP inks are non-destructive?  If so, it would seem that 
> a
> book is essentially in "dark storage" for most all of its life, and should
> be resistant to fading.  Of course, the paper may be another story.
> Ken
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [mailto:lug-
>>] On Behalf Of Lottermoser George
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:43 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Archival 4x6 Prints?
>> Blurb books and most 4 color printing
>> is not "archival"
>> The lay of ink is thin and sparse.
>> Put a blurb book (or magazine or)
>> in the sun
>> and another
>> in a drawer
>> check back in a few months
>> Fond regards,
>> George
>> On Dec 12, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>> I've been searching the internet for 20 minutes and have not found
>>> anything
>>> about the Blurb book paper being archival.
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> From: Brian Reid <>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <>
>>>> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:01:12 -0800
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Archival 4x6 Prints?
>>>> The Hewlett Packard Indigo printers are not inkjet printers, they
>>>> are printing
>>>> presses. They have rotating drums that get ink on them and then
>>>> press the ink
>>>> onto a piece of paper. It is genuine offset printing, and the inks
>>>> are
>>>> printing inks, which more closely resemble pigment than dye.
>>>> Electro-ink is
>>>> not the same thing that you would put into a Heidelberg press, but
>>>> it more
>>>> closely resembles that than anything else.
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