Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/10/11

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Subject: [Leica] Nice to wake up to good news for once...
From: frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)
Date: Sat Oct 11 15:46:21 2008

Hi Fred,
I have to jump to Nathan's defence here, even if his subject line is a bit 
extreme. The world -has- changed with the death of this purveyor of extreme 
views and the politics of hate and exclusion. Inertia is such that the 
change will be slow, but the loss of one influential bigot is a good thing 
for the future of the world.
Sadly there are still rather a lot of them left, and as long as there are 
ignorant/deliberately ill-educated people about that this sort of person can 
influence, we are all vulnerable.
The most dangerous thing in the world is ignorance, it leaves the way free 
to whip up political and religious extremism.
He may be a product of his upbringing and education, all that means is that 
he has a bad upbringing.
IMHO of course.
Frank


--- On Sat, 11/10/08, Fred Hess <fredhess@phenix-visuals.nl> wrote:

> From: Fred Hess <fredhess@phenix-visuals.nl>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nice to wake up to good news for once...
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Saturday, 11 October, 2008, 11:05 AM
> Hello Nathan,
> 
> After the death of this "evil' man, the world is
> still the same good or
> worse place to live.
> It is up to us, to keep the world good or to make it a
> better place.
> Hate does not help very much....
> 
> Haider is also a child (or produkt) from his familly,
> generation, education
> and history..., like we...
> 
> With kind regards
> 
> Fred
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nathan Wajsman"
> <photo@frozenlight.eu>
> To: "Leica Users Group"
> <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Nice to wake up to good news for
> once...
> 
> 
> > Didier, Fred:
> >
> > While I understand you reaction to my spontaneous
> early-morning post
> > (which in retrospect I should not have sent), I must
> also say that
> > Haider was an evil man, a closet Nazi, and while yes,
> his family is
> > undoubtedly bereaved, I insist that the world is a
> better place
> > without him.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Nathan
> >
> > Nathan Wajsman
> > Alicante, Spain
> > http://www.frozenlight.eu
> > http://www.greatpix.eu
> > http://www.nathanfoto.com
> >
> > Books:
> http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
> > PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> > Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 11, 2008, at 9:29 AM, Didier Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > > Though I do very strongly disagree with the
> opinions and politics of
> > > this
> > > man and his party, I can not join in malicious
> joy about anybody's
> > > death.
> > > I've just lost a very good old friend,
> godfather of my daughter, two
> > > weeks
> > > ago, and there's nobody on this planet that I
> could wish he or she
> > > should
> > > die.
> > >
> > > Didier
> > >
> > > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 06:02:27 +0200, Nathan
> Wajsman <photo@frozenlight.eu
> > > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7664846.stm
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Replies: Reply from glehrer at san.rr.com (Jerry Lehrer) ([Leica] Nice to wake up to good news for once...)
In reply to: Message from fredhess at phenix-visuals.nl (Fred Hess) ([Leica] Nice to wake up to good news for once...)