Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/08/14
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]On Aug 14, 2008, at 11:17 AM, Adam Bridge wrote: > Horse crap, Steve. > > The issues about testing are most severe with regard to false > positives -- kicking out athletes who never used drugs. > > SOMEONE has to speak in favor of the athletes and I'm making it me. > They train damn hard and I'm not letting the cynical unwashed masses > corrupt their effort. > > If you have good evidence that Phelps or any other swimmer is using > performance enhancing drugs then step forward and demonstrate it. > > My essay and response was the broad painting of all athetes and all > programs as dopers when sport is doing a great deal both during the > Olympics and especially outside it, to make sure the playing field is > level. > > Or, I suppose, we can just say inject your heart out and chance take > the consequences. That'll be the day I never follow another sporting > event again. > > Yours in disgust, > > Adam I think you protest too much Adam, not sure why you are so emotional with no data... aside from your heartfelt emotional assurances and protests, do you have any real data, or answers to my questions? You appear to have more "concern about the athletes", than concern about testing them properly and accurately... Steve > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net> > wrote: >> On Aug 13, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Adam Bridge wrote: >> >>> Speaking from intense experience as a national championship USA >>> Swimming official I take offense at Didier's claim that all or even >>> most swimmers are "juiced" (use performance enhancing drugs.) >>> >>> While it may be impossible to prove they do not, US athletes, and >>> elite athletes from other nations, are tested during their >>> training at >>> unannounced intervals to look for performance enhancing drugs. >>> >>> It's possible there are some with better chemists than others and >>> that >>> some slip through the screening process. But FINA (the world >>> governing >>> body for swimming) and USA Swimming (the USA national governing body >>> for swimming) take protection of its athletes very seriously. >>> >>> You will note that one swimmer was removed from the US swimming team >>> when one of three urine samples was found to contain metabolites >>> for a >>> performance enhancing drug. We do look and we look really hard. >>> >>> Unfortunately for the athletes we don't know how accurate the drug >>> testing really is. >> >> >> I'm a little surprised at your personal assurances Adam, and your >> personal >> identification with the program, leading to the conclusion that >> it's clean, >> followed by this statement...and I quote you, >> >>> "Unfortunately for the athletes we don't know how accurate the drug >>> testing really is." >> >> In this light, it would be better to find out if the testing has any >> credibility, rather than writing e-mails... >> >> If the testing is innaccurate or unreliable, then it's facade...and >> you >> can't speak to clean athletes. >> >> When the swimmers' samples are tested by the Tour de France testing >> system >> (regarded as the most aggressive and reliable, long used and >> refined) just >> how well do they fare...? >> >> Somehow it just doesn't pass the smell test, to protest so loudly, >> then >> admit that the accuracy of the test system is quite unknown. >> >> sad, just my two cents... >> >> on something I know and care about... >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information