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Subject: [Leica] Not in Zim
From: s.dimitrov at charter.net (slobodan dimitrov)
Date: Wed Jul 2 06:56:44 2008
References: <295143.53791.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Lord Acton, an english catholic, regarding yet another ultramontanist  
controversy.
s.

On Jul 2, 2008, at 1:56 AM, W. R. Smith wrote:

> Who was it who said "power corrupts--absolute power corrupts  
> absolutely"?
>
> --- On Wed, 7/2/08, Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie@btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Not in Zim
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 3:51 AM
>
> Sadly, several of the independent African nations have poorer human
> rights now than during colonial times. Since the abusers are black
> rather than white, other nations have turned a blind eye. It is not
> the way it was supposed to be so heads are in the sand.
> We should not forget that Mugabe is such a hero in Africa following
> his violent overthrow of the Smith government that even his genocide
> of his political opponents (Nkomo) tribe in Matebeleland was not
> criticised. Mbeki, who had a comfortable existence in Exile before
> independence does not have anywhere near Mugabe's status in African
> opinion.
> It is astonishing the extent to which image is more important than
> reality.
> I write this sadly as one who conscientiously demonstrated for the
> independence of African nations whilst a student.
> Frank
>
> PS I guess this should be on the forum
>
>
> On 1 Jul, 2008, at 07:56, Natan Wajsman wrote:
>
>> Glad to hear you are OK, Daniel. It is indeed sad commentary on the
>> state of African government what is happening there. I am referring
>> not only to Zimbabwe itself but also the disgraceful reaction (or
>> lack thereof) by South Africa. Mbeki has the tools to pound Mugabe
>> into submission within weeks (and no, I am not talking about
>> military intervention) but for some strange reason refuses to use
>> them.
>>
>> As for the comment by the hotel worker, it reminds me of a similar
>> comment on BBC World Service I heard some time in 2007 or 2006. It
>> was one of the Kenyan leaders of the independence struggle in the
>> early 1960s. He said flat out that if he had known back then what
>> kind of governments would emerge in Kenya after independence, he
>> would have thrown in his lot with a continuation of the British
>> Empire.
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
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>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 25, 2008, at 14:18 , Daniel Ridings wrote:
>>
>>>> I was concerned that you might be trapped in Zimbabwe
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>
>>> No, they just bug my phone calls and read my mail into the country
>>> (with replies out of the country).
>>>
>>> I'm hoping my friends are ok, but it is difficult to ask ...
> without
>>> giving them away.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> PS: A quote from a hotel worker rings through my head: It was better
>>> under Smith.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
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