Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/05/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At 01:49 PM 5/13/2008, Steve Unsworth wrote: >Marc, of course it unacceptable that Hove have cheated some authors out of >their royalties. However Hove were/are publishers of fairly esoteric books >that don't sell in very large numbers. So if someone like Hove stiffs the >authors not many people get hurt and not for much money - yes each loss is >a >tragedy for the author, but Dan Brown you're not. However it appears that >this bill could potentially affect vast numbers of photographers at an >enormous cost to them. > >You need a sense of perspective and not think the world revolves around >your >problem. There are bigger issues at stake. Whoa, there, big guy: my concern was that the photographers were insisting that the world revolved around THEIR concerns and screw those of us who write books. I would suggest a bit of balance in our discusions -- I was over board in my initial posting and have since acknowledged this. Tina raised legitimate concerns over exclusions from copyright protection for works used for educational and charitable and religious works and the like. I suspect that what we are seeing there is a carryover of the current "fair use" doctrine, an absolute bulwark of academic publishing. It is necessary to bear in mind that intellectual property rights laws are pretty severely capslized. For instance, patents are treated one way and this area of law has been tossed up into great confusion by the uneven protections afforded drug patents by various nations. Trademarks are also treated in a unique matter and, again, there has been some uncertainty in this by several unfortunate bits of legislation adopted by Congress in the 1970's and by the EU shortly thereafter. Now copyrights treat the remaining areas of intellectual properties in three distinct manners: music is given mainstream protection and this system seems to be working adequately as witness the Napster litigation of a decade ago. But now we go into free-fall when we come to visual works -- photographs, paintings, and sculpture and the like -- and written works such as articles, stories, and books. Here, there is a great disparity.in how and what can be copied without payment of royalties. For photographs, you have to obtain permission and pay such royalties as are required and provide appropriate attribution. This is an absolute so long as the photograph is still under copyright. If you want to reproduce say, the picture of Tenzing Norgay at the summit of Mount Everest in 1953, then you either need the permission of the organizational holders -- the Royal Geographic Society, the National Geographic Society, or the Alpine Club -- or of Sir Edmund HIllary's Estate. There are no exceptions during the life of the copyright. (Yes, I once had to get permission to reproduce this picture: the National Geographic Society charged us around $200 or so; about a year later, I mentioned this to Sir Edmund and he wrote me back that I should have asked HIM as he would have given permission at no charge. We all live and learn.) Written works are of an entirely different nature. Scholars and reviewers are allowed to quote from such works to provide proof of a point or to display the original author's attitudes. When I wrote my book on non-Leitz LTM lenses, I cited extensively from the works of others and could do so without worrying about permission or royalties as that is "fair use". And those who reviewed my book quoted me, again in extenso, and could do so without permission or royalties. So, if I want to critique one of Tina pictures, I may do so without worrying about royalties or permission as that is clearly covered by fair use. But to reproduce the picture, I have to respect such matters with extreme dedication to precision. I suspect the provision in this "Orphan Works" bill to which Tina objected is intended to preserve the long custom -- gong back to pre-Christian days in Greece and Rome -- of academic commentators to be permitted a fair use of each others ' works. And, frankly, I have had problems on many occasions trying to run down the holders of copyrights. Try to discover who holds the rights to, say, Kilfitt ads from the 1950's, especially when Zoomar just acknowledges a request and never otherwise responds. Marc msmall@aya.yale.edu Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!