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Subject: [Leica] Re: poverty alleviation (WAS: IMG: Home, II)
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Fri Apr 4 11:05:52 2008
References: <200804031919.AOG65656@rg4.comporium.net> <C41AB839.2A47D%pkolodny@fibertel.com.ar> <200804031952.AOG69235@rg4.comporium.net> <77E2EA9A-6539-4FAA-969B-BC0626032AF0@nathanfoto.com>

Nathan,
Perfectly said.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Nathan Wajsman <nathan@nathanfoto.com>
wrote:

> With all respect for the work done by the charities Tina supports with her
> work and other well-meaning individuals, I must say as an economist that
> while such efforts certainly have a positive impact on the individual
> families helped, they can never lift a country out of poverty. What is
> needed much more than charity are sound economic policies and access to the
> markets of the rich countries. There is not a single example of a country
> that has become richer by receiving aid; on the other hand there are
> numerous countries, mainly in Asia, that have gone from being as poor as
> Africa is today 50 years ago to being at least middle-income countries
> today.
>
> The example most often cited is Kenya and Malaysia. Both countries were
> British colonies, both gained independence in the early-to-mid 1960s, and 
> at
> the time of independence their GDP per capita was roughly the same. Since
> then, Malaysia has had reasonably stable government, with economic policies
> which, while not exactly following the free-market consensus that prevails
> today, nonetheless relied on trade, an environment that welcomed foreign
> investment and a relatively low level of corruption. Malaysia was never a
> big recipient of foreign aid. Kenya, on the other hand, has been one of
> Africa's main recipients of aid, whether from the US and Europe or from
> multilateral institutions like the World Bank, plus of course innumerable
> charities of all kinds. But the country has been run by a string of corrupt
> governments who had no regard for the plight of their own people, only for
> the state of their Swiss bank accounts. The result of these two respective
> paths of development is there today for all to see: while Kenya's GDP per
> capita languishes at around $800, Malaysia's is around $6500. Again, these
> two countries were at roughly the same level of development 40 years ago.
>
> Looking at the problem in this way, there is little or nothing charity can
> do. If you or I as individuals want to help, do it with your wallet--not by
> donating to Save the Children etc. but by seeking out and buying products
> made in those countries; and with your  ballot, by voting for politicians
> who are prepared to abolish grotesque policies like the agricultural
> subsidies in the US and Europe which keep poor country farmers out of the
> world markets at great costs to them and to Western consumers and 
> taxpayers.
>
> Nathan
>
> On 3-apr-2008, at 21:52, Tina Manley wrote:
>
>  At 03:37 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote:
> >
> > > It's the lack of real programs, those coming up from the UN just do
> > > fail and
> > > did fail for so many years, what it makes me mad. It's not
> > > photographing or
> > > not photographing them.
> > >
> > > The better industries are the more impoverished we can find, I think
> > > you'll
> > > agree with this, it's just facts.
> > > Pablo
> > >
> >
> > I agree, Pablo, but I don't think we can depend on governments or
> > industry to do what is right.  Governments and industry look only at the
> > bottom line and how to get the most while paying the least.  The 
> > government
> > agencies that I have worked with have been based on bureaucracy and are 
> > only
> > concerned with appearances, not actual progress.  People who want to help
> > should find a charity that they believe in and contribute their time, 
> > talent
> > and money to make a difference.  The only way to find out if a charity is
> > really making a difference is to visit, unannounced, and see for yourself
> > what is happening or volunteer and get involved.  If you need 
> > suggestions, I
> > have several ;-)
> > http://www.heifer.org
> > www.mowaa.org/
> > www.habitat.org/
> > http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/
> >
> > Tina
> >
> > Tina Manley, ASMP, NPPA
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/dimes_for_hunger
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In reply to: Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] IMG: Home, II)
Message from pkolodny at fibertel.com.ar (Pablo Kolodny) ([Leica] IMG: Home, II)
Message from images at comporium.net (Tina Manley) ([Leica] IMG: Home, II)
Message from nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Re: poverty alleviation (WAS: IMG: Home, II))