Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Chris Saganich wrote: >>> Brings to mind the crying baby photographs, where the photographer made the babies cry on purpose.<<< I recall reading something about this some time ago and my initial re-action was.. "If I catch up to that son of bitch I'll punch out his lights permanently! And he wont see anything but darkness for the rest of his days!" It's this type of stupidity that gives all photographers a bad name, "like being cruel to animals!" Only in this case it's little kids who can't defend themselves! ted -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barbour Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 4:16 PM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8 On Mar 12, 2008, at 12:30 PM, > Your work is a good example. hmmm really ? of what may I ask ? oh God, spare us... ! I see no connection whatever; honestly I find such a thought both incredibly remote and repugnant... Steve > The crying baby makes for a visceral reaction as does you images, > (having worked in a cancer hospital with pediatric cases I can > relate to your images on this level), but in the former case one > might ask, why are the babies crying? and the answer is because it > is what the photographer wanted. In your images one might ask why > is the child in the hospital? Not because of the photographer! The > important part is that we know this information When (What) we > don't know I feel it is a problem that is understated and little > understood. In the digital world it seems we tend to know less and > less, subjective reality is off the map, which is what makes me > nervous because is seems easy and popular; anyone can do it. As an > exploration for artists it is a rich area which makes me wish I was > 25 and in art school. As a middle aged person on the verge of > xenophobia, drinking too much caffeine, it is troublesome. > > At 12:35 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: > >> On Mar 12, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Chris Saganich wrote: >> >>> Well again, vision doesn't cease with the shutter. The extension of >>> vision into the darkroom or the computer is often necessary. Those >>> who are solidly grounded in the conceptual framework of extension of >>> vision photography or the painterly concepts of photography have >>> little trouble with the digital world. Like solarization or IR film >>> these are obvious painterly concepts, removing reality from images, >>> bringing attention to the handwork rather then the subject. Except >>> in the digital world this commingling of concepts becomes so subtle >>> that reality can be purged or invented without anyone seeing it. It >>> is like there is violence being committed but no one notices or >>> cares, the violence is invisible, and this is why the digital world >>> seems sinister to me. >> >> I think this was always true...though it's made easier now...not >> altogether new or different... >> >> In my experience, my own photography for my book, comprising almost >> all film images, I found the honest documentation of children in the >> hospital a conscious, ongoing struggle every step of the way. >> >> Accurate and honest depiction of the child's reality was the goal, >> but >> necessarily included getting people to look... >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> "I never wanted to be famous" >> >> www.blurb.com >> >> >> >> >>> Perhaps in academics there is a language for this but I haven't >>> come across it. There is a new animal in the forest and I'm trying >>> to understand what it eats. >>> >>> At 07:49 AM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >>>> A great many of the worlds greatest photographic images have come >>>> from very >>>> difficult negatives. >>>> Difficult as in way over or under exposed; >>>> Not in focus or otherwise soft. >>>> Poorly composed. >>>> A decent image was made from them with someone in the darkroom who >>>> knew what >>>> they were doing. >>>> Now its a bit easier to do those things. >>>> And by a lot more people. >>>> So what? >>>> >>>> A lot more people have Photoshop and are good at it than had >>>> darkrooms and >>>> were good at it. >>>> >>>> This offends the small proud darkroom club. >>>> Those of us who were able to swing darkrooms. >>>> >>>> I for one am very glad that photography has been made more >>>> democratic. >>>> If that's the word. >>>> More for everybody. >>>> Not just those who could swing darkrooms. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> markrabiner.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >>> http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >>> Office A-0049 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > Chris Saganich, MS, Sr. Physicist > Weill Medical College of Cornell University > New York Presbyterian Hospital > chs2018@med.cornell.edu > http://intranet.med.cornell.edu/research/health_phys/ > Ph. 212.746.6964 > Fax. 212.746.4800 > Office A-0049 > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Steve "I never wanted to be famous" now available at www.blurb.com kididdoc@cox.net _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.518 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1327 - Release Date: 3/12/2008 1:27 PM