Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2008/03/10
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Solar and wind also have their drawbacks. Solar's are primarily the cost of manufacture and the manufacturing process (not exactly clean) and wind's drawbacks include raptor mortality. I'll take either of these over fossil fuel any day. Doug Herr Birdman of Sacramento http://www.wildlightphoto.com -----Original Message----- >From: Adam Bridge <abridge@gmail.com> >Sent: Mar 10, 2008 8:53 PM >To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> >Subject: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8 > >You're forgetting solar and wind power. > >On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Robert Meier <robertmeier@usjet.net> wrote: >> Digital uses electricity at every step of the way: it therefore requires >> the generation of electricity, and that process is neither clean nor >> cheap >> and defintiely contaminates the environment. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Luis Ripoll" <luisripoll@telefonica.net> >> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:18 PM >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Not Buying M8 >> >> >> > Don, your arguments are very logical. The only point to comment as on a >> > science fiction film, If I was the big boss of a big Company or if I >> can >> > influence the international markets I would promote the marketing idea >> > about >> > digital is clean, cheap, and not contaminant >> > >> > Saludos cordiales >> > Luis >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Mensaje original----- >> > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org >> > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En >> nombre >> > de >> > Don Dory >> > Enviado el: lunes, 10 de marzo de 2008 16:51 >> > Para: Leica Users Group >> > Asunto: Re: [Leica] Not Buying M8 >> > >> > Frank,Individual choice is what drove my family here almost 400 years >> ago. >> > No problem. But you would not need a new computer or lenses but may >> need >> > a >> > new printer. Or not, many retailers now have an Epson 4800-7800 on >> > premises >> > so prints can be done elsewhere. >> > >> > Film is just going to get more expensive and processing more cult like >> > unless you do your own. Chemicals will be harder to find as the safety >> > Nazi's continue to insist that Dektol is dangerous and requires special >> > handling. On the bonus side there are some great film cameras out >> there >> > for >> > next to nothing; I picked up a very clean Canon 7 with 35 F2, 50 1.4, >> 100 >> > F2 >> > and 135 3.5 all late black lenses for $300. At those prices I will >> still >> > use some film. >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Frank Filippone >> <red735i@earthlink.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> you bring up a good point...... if it is a devalued US $..... >> >> >> >> The M8 would cost $3500 if it were $1 = 1 EURO. ( currently around >> >> $1.5 = >> >> 1 >> >> EURO ) >> >> >> >> Then a lot of this discussion of film to digital nonsense would go >> away. >> >> >> >> All of us Americans should buy nothing, and all you Rest Or Worlders >> >> should buy only USA Made goods. >> >> Then the dollar would rise and the Americans could afford a $3500 >> >> Digital M. >> >> >> >> Anyway, I find the rest of the argument unconvincing. I use film >> >> because #1, I am not a pro. I do not have to use digital. Pros have >> >> to use digital. >> >> #2 I have plenty of film cameras that I won, they work, and they do >> >> what I want them to do. I do not have to buy something else. >> >> #3 While my personal finances may allow me to go buy a $5K camera Plus >> >> SW and Printer and scanner for my existing negatives/transparencies >> >> for maybe another $2-5K, I choose to spend my $$$ other places, or >> not at >> > all. >> >> #4 I can still get suitable film for what I like to do, and get it >> >> processed, locally ( I live in Los Angeles area so processing is no >> >> problem). While some brands have gone away, I have found suitable >> >> replacements. >> >> #5 My cameras are reliable. They are mechanical, made for 50 year >> >> life( or more.... M6TTL is a pretty tough camera) and can be repaired >> >> anywhere in the world in a few days by a lot of people. >> >> #6 I have the patience to not need to Chimp or otherwise have my film >> >> processed in 2 seconds ( I was never a fan of Polaroid either). I can >> >> wait. >> >> #7 I just plain prefer to use film. It suits me, my lifestyle, and my >> >> hobby. >> >> >> >> Anything wrong with that? For Me? >> >> >> >> Frank Filippone >> >> red735i@earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leica Users Group. >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Don >> > don.dory@gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leica Users Group. >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leica Users Group. >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information