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Subject: [Leica] Some more 'cutting the edge'
From: hoppyman at (G Hopkinson)
Date: Fri Dec 7 17:23:31 2007
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My personal "litmus test" is whether the image is an obvious collage or 
simulated airbrush illustration, rather than a photograph
that has been improved, optimised, analogous to a wet darkroom print.
That is, no doubt a very traditional viewpoint and those boundaries keep on 
blurring further.

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of
Philippe Orlent
Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2007 11:08
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Some more 'cutting the edge'

Dito George,

The big question indeed is: is photography a tool to realize one's vison or 
ideas (thus creating 'art'), or is the aim rather to
push forward the boundaries of photography itself.
I always considered it to be a tool*.
The difference between making and taking photographs.
I'm not sure if the first has to be called photo illustration, though.
It's just a logical evolution: things that were not possible just 10 years 
ago are today.
It's an enrichening phase IMO.
But both have something very defendeable, indeed.

And I truly enjoy this thread, too.


* Hence the love for Leica: it is a very good tool. Not for everything, but 
very close to that.
Technology is quickly taking away the advantages of such a tool, though. 
Today, what comes out of a P&S combined with skilfully
applied PS is qualitatively very comparable with what comes out of a Leica.
Very few 'cutting edge' work comes out of a Leica these days BTW:  
Salgado did great things with an Oly P&S f.i.
It's the big price difference that inevitably leads to this.
But no camera has a better feel and ergonomy. It's the biggest photographic 
treat one can offer himself.
Like paint brushes. You can paint with pork, but I still prefer sable...

Op 7-dec-07, om 23:13 heeft Lottermoser George het volgende geschreven:

> Thank you Philippe - again some wonderful links to contemplate.
> I feel myself ever clearer on what I consider "cutting edge 
> photography;" and it does not include "cutting edge photo 
> illustration." Obviously very subjective. Yet, clear for me and my 
> purposes.
> Truly appreciate your contributions to this thread.
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> Picture A Week -
> On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Philippe Orlent wrote:
>> and some more here
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