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Subject: [Leica] Some more 'cutting the edge'
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Fri Dec 7 17:23:31 2007
References: <C7662BC1-A7C7-40D5-BD2B-5FFE1D1FE575@pandora.be><DAE481B0-645D-4EC1-BC34-E2A272CA4083@mac.com> <1C7D674D-32F8-4AC4-B468-851790CC157E@pandora.be>

My personal "litmus test" is whether the image is an obvious collage or 
simulated airbrush illustration, rather than a photograph
that has been improved, optimised, analogous to a wet darkroom print.
That is, no doubt a very traditional viewpoint and those boundaries keep on 
blurring further.
Cheers
Geoff 

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Philippe Orlent
Sent: Saturday, 8 December 2007 11:08
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Some more 'cutting the edge'

Dito George,

The big question indeed is: is photography a tool to realize one's vison or 
ideas (thus creating 'art'), or is the aim rather to
push forward the boundaries of photography itself.
I always considered it to be a tool*.
The difference between making and taking photographs.
I'm not sure if the first has to be called photo illustration, though.
It's just a logical evolution: things that were not possible just 10 years 
ago are today.
It's an enrichening phase IMO.
But both have something very defendeable, indeed.

And I truly enjoy this thread, too.

Philippe

* Hence the love for Leica: it is a very good tool. Not for everything, but 
very close to that.
Technology is quickly taking away the advantages of such a tool, though. 
Today, what comes out of a P&S combined with skilfully
applied PS is qualitatively very comparable with what comes out of a Leica.
Very few 'cutting edge' work comes out of a Leica these days BTW:  
Salgado did great things with an Oly P&S f.i.
It's the big price difference that inevitably leads to this.
But no camera has a better feel and ergonomy. It's the biggest photographic 
treat one can offer himself.
Like paint brushes. You can paint with pork, but I still prefer sable...


Op 7-dec-07, om 23:13 heeft Lottermoser George het volgende geschreven:

> Thank you Philippe - again some wonderful links to contemplate.
>
> I feel myself ever clearer on what I consider "cutting edge 
> photography;" and it does not include "cutting edge photo 
> illustration." Obviously very subjective. Yet, clear for me and my 
> purposes.
>
> Truly appreciate your contributions to this thread.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george@imagist.com
> www.imagist.com
> Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07
>
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Philippe Orlent wrote:
>
>> http://www.bryansheffield.com/
>> http://www.toddhido.com/
>> http://www.stephenvoss.com/
>> http://mrtoledano.com/
>> http://fwo3.com/
>> http://www.godman.com
>>
>> and some more here
>>
>> http://www.rank.aphotoeditor.com/upcoming.php?category=Photographer
>>
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