[Leica] Canon G9 or Leica M8?

[len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)]

I have never used Auto ISO on any camera, ever. I especially wouldn't  
want it on a M8. Not enough choices and noise performance not good  
enough. The 5D would be OK. To me you are relying on some firmware  
writer somewhere to make an arbitrary adjustment the photographer  
should be making. AE is different. Any shutter speed I can handhold  
without shaking is OK by me.

With that said If the photographer is happy with Auto ISO, I guess  
that's all that counts. Different strokes.

Len


On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

>> I don't think the fuzzy logic is as good as our artistic judgement  
>> in this
>> case. It may well be imperfect but it is ours. Yes you
>> will more likely get a usable exposure. It may not be what you  
>> envisioned
>> though. Also, at least with the digi compacts the ASA
>> variation will be native or overamplification mode. Exposure  
>> decision might
>> typically be a wide open or stopped right down decision.
>> Similarly to focus zone decisions. You are not talking about  
>> continuously
>> variable options. Simple functions only. I sure don't want
>> any M digital taking away that functionality from me. There are a  
>> plethora of
>> DSLR choices if you want clever mode or need what they
>> can do for you (yes I know they are supremely versatile). The  
>> whole raison
>> d'?tre for the M8 is that it is an M. You make the
>> decisions in every aspect. What you input will be what comes out, in
>> superlative quality with the best glass in the world. Try to
>> turn it into a Nikon or Canon and you get a superbly screwed  
>> together quaint
>> camera that is not as clever and costs a LOT.
>>
>> Rant off.
>> Cheers
>> Hoppy
>>
>
>
> The M8 is an M its a digital M7 as it's got an A setting.
> You can set an f stop and the shutter speed will automatically  
> match it.
> Plenty of people in the 90s were saying before the M7 came out that  
> a Leica
> with an A setting would not be a Leica. Not be an M or whatever.
> Maybe they've chosen to not use their A setting on their M7 or M8.
> I doubt it though.
> A is great and most people know it.
> We'd have P as well but the lenses won't budge. Won't go into auto.
> So we cant have both auto shutter speed as well as auto aperture.
> Only auto shutter speed.
> Too bad but we can live with it.
>
> But there is another variable we CAN have.
>
> The M8 is an M its a digital M7 as it's got an A setting. And it  
> shoots
> digital film which is a variable from shot to shot. Just like the  
> shutter
> speed.
> It can be any ISO it wants on every frame just like it could vary  
> the ISO
> from frame to frame. So that's an option such a camera can have.
> It can vary the shutter speed to match the f stop that you want and  
> when
> that shutter speed gets below what you have the auto ISO at;
> say a 30th; your ISO increases instead of shooting at shutter  
> speeds lower
> than a 30th. You'd set that in the menus like you do with the  
> Nikons and
> Canons.
> And why that would not be a welcome option is not obvious from this  
> post.
> What seems clear from the writing is the writer has no experience  
> with auto
> ISO and is only guessing how it works.
>
> The auto ISO option is ok for a D=SLR but NOT a D-rangefinder?
> I'm not hearing why. And I'd love to hear a reason as I cant  
> imagine one.
>
> Just like the A feature on the M7 or 8 if our delicate Leica  
> sensibilities
> are offended we can just not use it and choose to go full manual.
>
>
> By the way when shooting in Manual mode on my D200 I can still use  
> auto
> ISO!!!
>
> That way setting BOTH the f stop and the shutter speed to what I want.
> The auto ISO is the auto matic aspect which sets the ISO to match  
> that f
> stop and shutter speed you've set on your camera to the light  
> entering the
> lens.
>
> So its an A setting with no camera function auto variables such as  
> F stop or
> shutter speed. The variable is of course the ISO itself.
>
> This is a quite elegant way to shoot.
> Leica-like if you ask me. I have experience with shooting Leicas.  
> So I can
> make that kind of statement I guess. Also experience with shooting  
> DSLR
> cameras which auto ISO.
>
>
>
>
> Mark William Rabiner
> markrabiner.com
>
>
>
>
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