Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/08/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Gene, Thanks for your opinion, maybe you are right, we can't expect uncertain future, and we should be adapated to the real trends... Times are changing... and maybe I'm too reluctance to change. Saludos cordiales Luis -----Mensaje original----- De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de grduprey@mchsi.com Enviado el: viernes, 31 de agosto de 2007 5:23 Para: Leica Users Group Asunto: RE: [Leica] Re: M8 problems Luis, the M8 is 1.3, not 4/3. If you wait for the full frame, that is your decision. The same as those who hated the 35mm camera for not being a 4x5 or 8x10. A 35mm size equivalent to the LF cameras never happened. Yes, a FF M may someday happen, but it will be some time until it does, and I would be pretty sure the current M lenses will not work with it, as I would guess they will have to have the lenses reformulated so the rear lens element is farther away from the sensor. For the DSLR, it is not an issue as the lenses are farther away from the sensor, due to the mirror. Gene -------------- Original message from "Luis Ripoll" <luisripoll@telefonica.net>: -------------- > Hi Peter, > > I've found really interesting your arguments, but beside all the > mentionned points, for me it remain one point, the format 4:3. I want > to use my lenses on the original focal lenght. I hope, and I think > that Leica will made a 1:1 format in the future. > > Saludos cordiales > Luis > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En > nombre de Peter Klein Enviado el: jueves, 30 de agosto de 2007 20:04 > Para: lug@leica-users.org > Asunto: Re: [Leica] Re: M8 problems > > > Larry: > > Sounds like you really have two issues: > > - Do I need digital at all? > - Do I need (or want) an M8? > > Digital is convenient. Digital has less dynamic range than negative > film, but ISO for ISO, it's cleaner than most film. You don't buy film > and processing, you buy a camera. > > I'm with Tina and George and Sonny--my M8 gives me the best image > quality I've seen from a 35mm-size camera. > > No doubt about it, the M8 also has quirks and hidden costs that derive > from those quirks. We have the IR filter/cyan drift issues and the > need for coding of 35mm and wider lenses. There have been reliability > issues with some cameras, particularly early models. Most of the > really bad problems seem to have been fixed. > > But every so often, somebody's M8 fails, and we hear about it quickly. > The Internet amplifies the problems, and it seems like every M8 is a > piece of crap. I liken it to watching your local television news. It > seems like there is a child molester on every block, and a terrorist behind every tree. > But is that really the case? > > We can scream from today till next Tuesday about how Leica shoulda > done this and oughta done that, how could they not know about the IR > issue, and how dare a $5000 camera not be perfect? But the fact is > that Leica is a small company, and it's trying to compete with very deep pockets from Japan, Inc. > And the problems of very fast lenses and close-to-the-sensor RF lenses > mean Leica has more to deal with than the DSLR makers. > > The real question is "what do I get for my five grand, and is it worth > it to *me*? And if the thing dies, can I live with the delays while it's fixed. > > My pet peeve is that they should give us a lens selection menu. And I > am annoyed about the focus shift issues--they are not as bad as some > people make them, but they are real. > > I knew about all the issues except focus shift, and I still bought the > camera. I waited 6 months until it looked like the major teething > pains had been fixed. I'm not rich, I still can't believe how much the > damn thing cost, and I am still very happy I bought it. > > No one can guarantee that you will get a perfect,trouble-free M8. But > it is telling that most of the people here who have M8s love them, and > even those who have had failures want them back so they can shoot with them. > I've been lucky so far, no major problems. I'm still fine-tuning my > shooting to find the sweet spot between blown highlights and too much > shadow noise. My own feelings are about 5% occasional buyer's remorse > and 95% "I LOVE this camera." > > Only you can decide if you want an M8. The way you're talking, film > works for you, you don't need the immediacy of digital most of the > time. If that's the case, why switch? OTOH, if you are interested in > exploring digital while maintaining the same control layout and > general shooting style as you did with Ms and manual SLRs, then the M8 is worthy of consideration. > If the M8 is not your cup of tea but you want a good, affordable > high-quality digital, consider the Pentax K10D or the Olympus E-510, > both very worthy shooter's cameras. > > But if you love RF shooting and the way Leica lenses draw images, the > M8 is the only digital game in town. It takes some work and adjustment > to get the highest quality of which the M8 is capable. But it can be > done, and when you get it, it is incredible. You can argue that Brand > C gives cleaner high ISO images, but not at the level of detail the M8 gives. > > I'm shooting more with my M8 than I ever did with film. I have touched > my > E-1 and my film Ms each exactly once since I got the M8 5 months > ago--the > E-1 for a macro shot and the film M for a classical concert. That > ought to tell you something. > > Reverse peer pressure: Regardless of what you decide, you and your > photos are always welcome around here! > > --Peter > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information