Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/08/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]OK, someone emailed me offlist. First of all, take a deep breath and ask why my questions struck a nerve. The email said it sounds like I may be playing a race card. Very interesting as my wife for 25 years so far is white :-) I am an American of Chinese descended. I am not a Chinese that happens to live in America :-) As for why I make the observation in the first place? Why not? U.S. population is ~10% Asian etc. By 2050, if the projection holds, Lations will be the majority. Again, i did not ascribe any malicious intention on Kyle's part. You guys read that entirely on your own. In fact, I would have guessed that the reason is exactly as given - that he photographed the ones that want to be photographed, but that would have been just a guess. Think about this, I made an observation and all these comments follow. Reflect on it, what does it really say? BTW, name one American actor of Asian descended. Give yourself a bonus point if you can recall them doing a non-stereotype Asian role :-) On Thu, 9 Aug 2007, richard-lists wrote: > How so? I note that the MSNBC excerpt shows that the subjects are > primarily > white, and I ask whether it is the same in the book. I did not say Kyle > purposefully not select non-white and in fact I did not say anything about > it at all. SO how did *I* over react? I did not say Kyle is racist or > anything like that. > > You guys jump the gun, so to speak. Not me. > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 grduprey@mchsi.com wrote: > > > Richard, > > > > When I read your post, I thought you were over reacting. We are way to > > quick to pull the Race Card here in the US, and from my point of view > > that is exactly what you were doing. > > > > Gene > > > > > > -------------- Original message from Richard > > <richard-lists@imagecraft.com>: -------------- > > > > > > > With all due respect, Ted, you are over-reacting. > > > > > > I am just asking for an assessment, I am not saying whether the book > > > is good or not based on this criteria or not. > > > > > > But you know what the funny thing is? > > > > > > Most "white folks" would never even notice things like that. > > > > > > Again, no comment on whether this is good or not. > > > > > > Just a comment. > > > > > > At 08:26 PM 8/8/2007, Ted Grant wrote: > > > > > > >Richard for crying out loud! > > > > > > > >Do you know how stupid this is? Dumb ass stupid, that's what!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Simply because Kyle didn't start out to shoot a book representing > > > >every > > > >colour in the rainbow nor ethnic cross section!! Get real! When a > > > >book idea > > > >like this is born it's not to represent all the colours in the > > > >rainbow, but > > > >about people who volunteer their services to be photographed for a > > > >potential > > > >book about guns and folks who own them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This kind of tripe isn't any different than when Sandy Carter and I > > > >had > > > >completed our book about women in medicine and the shooting was > > > >finished > > > >after nearly a year and a half criss crossing North America in many > > > >hospitals and medical centres. We received this same kind of bull > > > >shit from > > > >a writer who was asked to work on the book with us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As soon as she brought up.... "where are the handi-capped doctors and > > > >nurses, there isn't enough colour representation, where are the > > > >Asians etc > > > >etc every damn BS line one could possibly imagine regarding all the PC > > > >nonsense. Guess what? She was history instantaneously! Simply because > > > >there's real life in the world and the way some folks would like to > > > >have it! > > > >However, never shall the twain meet as sorry as I am to write that at > > > >the > > > >moment! Maybe after 10 life times of 10 life times of the next 10 > > > >generations of appreciating each others colour in the rainbow simply > > > >because > > > >we all give something to this world as messed up as it is! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Damn Richard and you aren't helping one iota with your silly tripe! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Right now don't anybody jump in with I'm a bigot! Simply because I've > > > >always > > > >been a champion for women to be equally treated and paid as men, > > > >colour was > > > >never a thing in my life because of the way I was brought up that we > > > >are as > > > >human beings all equal! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >How many of you have ever thought about relating to our human race in > > > >this > > > >fashion? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Take every colour there is in our rainbow and each one makes a tiny > > > >cut in a > > > >finger! SURPISE WE ALL BLEED THE SAME COLOUR! Damn I bet not too many > > > >ever > > > >thought of it in that equaling fashion! So quite frankly that's how I > > > >was > > > >brought up to respect every other human being of different colour or > > > >religion or whatever they wanted to be! The colour of their blood! > > > > > > > >Skin was just the cover colour, not the book inside! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >So when I read someone brings up this drivel about race-colour > > > >whatever > > > >Richard is alluding to, I lose it! Yep the problem is real I don't > > > >deny > > > >that, but what screws it up is when some one brings it up in such a > > > >stupid > > > >manner! It has no relation in this book as first published! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Certainly where every colour, religion, size, male, female or > > > >whatever one > > > >wishes to call themselves, had the opportunity to VOLUNTEER to be in > > > >Kyle's > > > >book! Absolutely no discrimination whatsoever! Merely in the minds of > > > >the > > > >retarded! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Similarly so in our book, "Women in Medicine." Sandy Carter and I > > > >didn't go > > > >around looking for black, coloured, white whatever doctors and nurses > > > >came > > > >in. Simply because we had all kinds of them doing the job of looking > > > >after > > > >all the folks who required medical attention regards of rainbow > > > >colour and > > > >we had them all in our coverage where ever they were giving their > > > >care to > > > >others!! Regardless of whatever or whomever! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Nor did we look for ... "are you a handi-capped person medical > > > >professional?" I will say the only single item we watched for was a, > > > >are you > > > >ready? "A PREGNANT DOCTOR OR NURSE WHO WAS SHOWING SHE WAS!" That was > > > >it! > > > >:-) Yes and there is one in the book! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >As a matter of fact our wonderful book concept was originally > > > >suggested by > > > >one of the most understanding and professional women doctors or any > > > >doctor, > > > >male or female I've ever had the honour and privilege of knowing. And > > > >Richard if you were astute enough you might buy our book and read this > > > >doctor's forward! And be surprised! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >A lady of human class beyond real life, as wonderful as an angel > > > >could be. > > > >She just happened to be the Director of Nuclear Cardiology in a big > > > >hospital > > > >with a wonderful staff of many colours. And she was black! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What I really don't understand is .... > > > > > > > >"WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH LEICA PHOTOGRAPHY?" And > > > >Richard why > > > >did you bring it up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Apart from the fact I'm bagged after being in front of TV cameras all > > > >day on > > > >the final shoot for the BRAVO TV programme to be released in October > > > >about > > > >the old guy! :-) Oh yeah and flaunting the Leica M8 in every scene! > > > >:-) > > > >Awesome! ;-) But dang it sure was and has been fun! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ted > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Leica Users Group. > > > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > // richard (This email is for mailing lists. 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