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Subject: [Leica] Summarit press release
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Sat Aug 4 16:28:54 2007
References: <C2D96674.62BEA%mark@rabinergroup.com><C2D97A94.62C0C%mark@rabinergroup.com><000101c7d660$bcb9b4c0$6501a8c0@asus930> <001b01c7d698$8c205250$2101a8c0@luispersonal>

Luis mi amigo, we have all seen superb pictures that you have made with all 
of your lenses. When shooting with your Tri-Elmar and
the 90AA, I don't suppose that you have ever thought "this lens quality is 
too good, I need a lens that is not as good"! 
I agree that much of the time we don't use the lenses wide open, unless we 
have a Nocti.
For me the bigger attraction with the modern asph designs is their superb 
correction and the ability to produce wonderful saturated
colour against the light(freedom from veiling glare). This is what you are 
describing with "the images are more clear and
transparent nice
contrast," from your 90AA. I also think that the Elmarit M 2.8 90 is superb. 
It is also very compact.
Well when I arrive in Espana we shall compare 28s and 90's.
Salud!
Hoppy
 

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Luis Ripoll
Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 23:08
To: 'Leica Users Group'
Subject: RE: [Leica] Summarit press release

HOLA HOPPY!!!

First at all congrats for your great pictures on the Photo Contest!

I've followed your discussion about the new Summarit lenses and I want tell
you my opinion about two points. As you know I'm not a fan or a very
concerned person for the last ASPH lens technology, I'm much more concerned
for the dimmensions of a lens and I like the small lenses, IMO this will be
a very good range of products at an affordable price for many users, IMO the
charachteristics of the ASPH elements could be only necessary in extreme
conditions, but technology is quite good for the general purpose of my
pictures, I'll post a pictures I've shot with the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50 ASPH
and with the Elmar Nickel uncoated 5cm/3,5 and I'm surprised to see small
differences only, why we should expend so many money?, at least on my case
and for my general pictures style. A maximum aperture of 2,5 is not bad for
a general use, particularly I'm not interested on these lenses because I
already have several versions of each one, but they are interesting for a
new user.

The second point I would comment and on this case I appreciate the
difference is about the 90AA vs TE 90/2,8, on the 90AA I appreciate a
clearly improvement, the images are more "clear and transparent" nice
contrast, this is for me particularly useful, I should frequently need the
maximum aperture of F2 on the 90AA. On your case, I'm sorry, but I have see
your excellent results with your Elmarit 2,8/90mm, if you read the Erwin
Putts comments it seems that at F4 the performances are identical, maybe is
not necessary for your basically landscape style the f2...?, the same think
I ask me about the 28mm, the new ASPH F2,8 is very attractive for me, it is
small and it has a reasonnable price, but for my style I would regret more
than one time the F2 of the Summicron 28, but IMO is too big...

When we will be together on your next trip to Spain, we will have the
opportunity to discuss and test the differences..., before to drink so many
beers!

Salud!
Luis   





-----Mensaje original-----
De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de
G Hopkinson
Enviado el: s?bado, 04 de agosto de 2007 8:29
Para: 'Leica Users Group'
Asunto: RE: [Leica] Summarit press release

Mark, I have that 28. You have prints from it. You should see output at
12x18. I consider it is a marvel of design and its performance, superb.
I'll take contrasty, modern, high resolution, high saturation, well
corrected over the early designs every time.
Note that there is nothing wider than the 35 in that new Summarit range. All
of the extant wides down to 21 now are asph designs.
The asph elements in their several iterations are just part of the designs.
Part of the Leica genius, in my view is to fit their performance into the
compact packages that they have and to be able to produce superb performance
wide open or nearly so. That goes exponentially so for fast lenses.
My understanding of the 90AA performance is that it is amongst the very best
of the Leica M designs, which is to say amongst the best in the world.
I certainly plan to get one when I can. 
I think that the new Summarits may compete directly with the Zeiss designed
Cosina made ZMs.

Cheers
Hoppy






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