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Subject: [Leica] Re: NYC Photo Permit
From: chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich)
Date: Fri Jul 27 08:44:13 2007
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Larry,
While I don't disagree with the spirit of the proposal it seems if my 
daughter (who is 4) and I were setting up my 4x5 somewhere, say a street 
fair or some other public event I would be restricted to 10 minutes per 
location, well that seems a bit overly restrictive.  The idea is to keep 
the language as vague as possible and let the police sort it out on the 
spot.  Do you think I'm going to argue with someone who has the ability and 
inclination to drag me to the tombs for an overnight stay and have my 
daughter put into protective custody because I had a tripod in one spot for 
more then ten minutes??  You try that one out and tell me how you feel in 
the morning.  So, we are left with no other choice but to obey whatever 
arbitrary and capricious interpretation that seem appropriate to the 
officer at the moment.  Yippie.
Chris

At 09:19 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote:

>On Jul 26, 2007, at 7:09 PM, Chris wrote this comment to Tina's post:
>
>>Here is the part of the rule (proposed NYC Photographer's Permit)
>>that most people don't like:
>>
>>Film or still photography activity involving a tripod and a crew of
>>5 or
>>more persons (at one site for 10 or more minutes) would require a
>>permit,
>>or the same activity among two people at a single site for more
>>than 30
>>minutes.
>>
>>Don't set up that tripod until your ready to shoot and leave the
>>entourage
>>at home!.  What does one site mean?
>>"but I moved the tripod 20 feet officer..."
>>"Shut-up wise ass and keep those hands where I can see them"
>
>While I agree that the permit requirement is a significant
>infringement of a photographer's civil rights, I also find myself in
>reluctant agreement with the intent of the permit proposal. I had an
>office near Gramercy Park in NYC for over 20 years. The area is in
>the heart of the photo district and the park itself is a favorite
>site for fashion shots and movies. More often than not the streets
>are crowded with camera crews, lights, and trailers. Sidewalks are
>shut off. Thorofares are blocked to traffic. And that's only the
>professional photo crews. Hordes of NYU film students use the area
>for their class projects. Tripods in the middle of sidewalks during
>lunch hour are a real hazard. Unless you live and/or work in NYC it
>is hard to appreciate the amount of traffic and the number of
>pedestrians that take to the streets during the lunch time break (11
>a.m. to 2 p.m.) or at the evening rush hours (4 p.m. to 7 p.m.).
>Anything that interferes with the flow of hungry New Yorkers seeking
>the nearest Sabretts hot dog wagon or the rush to subways and the MTA
>or LIRR causes trouble. Not quite as bad as a terrorist attack but
>equivalent to the landing of a Martian space ship in Central Park.
>
>Photography in NYC should be unrestricted before 8 a.m. and after 7
>p.m. and all legal holidays and weekends. But the taxpayers and
>residents deserve unrestricted access to the sidewalks. Pedestrians
>whose tripods are kicked over by disgruntled pedestrians have my
>sympathy but not my support. I suspect my feelings are shared by most
>New Yorkers.
>
>Larry Z
>
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