Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/07/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Thanks Marty that was excellent and answered a few questions regarding my previous Xtol experience. I liked xtol very much buy those 5 liter bags put me off. Is it ok to split the powered contents into smaller portions then mix it one liter at a time?? One liter for development and one for replenishment? Chris At 08:40 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >Since there is a bit of interest in chemical developers after the LuG >being almost completely digital, I thought I'd post this. I wrote it for >a newsletter a few of us here in Adelaide write and send around to each >other. A lot of this is based on discussions I've had with LuGer John >Black. The formula for JB9 is entirely his - and it's elegent and >effective. My own experiments in pH were initiated after discussions with >him and follow an approach I developed from our discussions. > >What follows is a long rant about Kodak Xtol. > >Xtol is probably the best commercially available developer for 35mm >film. Why is it so good? It is an ascorbate developer. Ascorbates are >effective developers of silver– with about the same efficacy at >developing as hydroquinone, but the development by-products of ascorbates >are acidic and act as development inhibitors. These by-products inhibit >development proportionally to exposure (i.e. they inhibit more in dense >areas of the negative and less in thinner areas). All ascorbate >developers are, therefore, compensating developers with high acutance, >dependant to some extent on the other components of the developer. This >is good for tonality. ‘Compensation’ is claimed for many >developers, but the ascorbate ones are among only a few where it has any >real scientific basis or measureable effect. Kodak’s chemists were >clever with Xtol in several ways beyond using an ascorbate as the primary >developing agent. They added enough sulfite that the stock! > solution can be used as a grain-reducing developer and as a > replenishment developer where the only replenisher needed is more Xtol. > This sulfite concentration, combined with high activity, allows the > developer to be used at dilutions of up to 1+1, 1+3 or 1+5 depending on > the film being developed. This results in enhanced edge effects; it > maximises direct development and minimises solution or physical > development (called ‘solvent action’), increasing > sharpness. They also used dimezone-S as the superadditive > co-developer. Dimezone-S is a potent developer at low concentrations (it > is, after all, similar to phenidone) but is easier to dissolve in water > than phenidone and is less likely to oxidise once in solution. Properly > mixed Xtol is actually quite stable – not Rodinal or PMK Pyro stock > stable, but very good. > >So it’s sharp and has great tonality. Super. Unfortunately, Xtol >got a reputation early on for both failing catastrophically and leaving >odd artefacts in negatives. So, what gives? Is it great or does it suck? > >As usual, the answer to both is yes. Xtol fails for two >reasons. Ascorbates are strong antioxidants and will scavenge oxygen from >solution. Unfortunately the oxidation products of ascorbates do not >develop latent silver images and do not present a colour change in >solution. This explains what we already know – Xtol can die without >warning. The other reason Xtol can fail is that the oxidation of >ascorbates is catalysed by metal ions in water – particularly >divalent cations (they are the 2+ ones). These include calcium and iron, >the former common in ‘photo grade’ chemicals and the latter >common in tapwater. Odd donut-shaped dots on negatives developed in Xtol >are seen sometimes even by people who are careful about air and mixing. I >suspect this occurs when impure dilution water is used and a little >particle of iron or some other substance ends up onthe film, oxidising the >ascorbate (and therefore inhibiting development) forsome distance around. >I! > t’s not likely tobe in the original mix water, since impurities > here would probably kill the developer, unless it was mixed and then used > almost right away. > >“Sudden Xtol death syndrome” can be fixed by keeping bottles >completely full and in the dark; “Xtol spots” can be avoided >by always using distilled or deionised and filtered water to mix and >dilute Xtol. Whether you think that is worth the bother is up to you. I >think it is. > >Can you mix your own Xtol? Sort-of. Mark Rabiner sent aroundthe basic >formula from the patent (that’s not an MSDS – an MSDS is the >“material safety data sheet” and the one for Xtol can be >accessed by going here: >http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2879/4648&CID=go&idhbx=msds&pq-locale=en_US&_requestid=2627 > >and typing Xtol in the product name box) which comes from the >patent. There are, however, indications from the physical behaviour of >Xtol that what Kodak sells is somewhat different. Xtol stock solutions >have a pH of 8.2 (what Kodak says); diluted to 1+3 the pH rises to >8.3-8.4. If you make the patent version, the startings olution is >8.35-8.4 and it stays fairly stable with dilution. Those pH differences >might not seem like alot, but they’re important. The version from >the patent is also about 30% less active. What does this tell >us? The‘weakly alkaline’ (Kodak’s terminology) pH must >come from a buffe! > r, rather than just from metaborate and metabisulfite. I suspect a small > amount of boric acid (i.e. a metaborate-boric acidbuffer) – it > makes the most sense chemically; I also have some supporting data > frommass spectroscopy analysis of commercial Xtol. The EDTA is also > probably not enough on its own to sequester the divalent cation > concentrations that Xtol can handle – I did this by adding known > concentrations of dilute cation solutions to Xtol and self-made analogues > and comparing them. > >So, what can you really do? Buy Xtol, of course. But if you really want >to make a substitute, the following are options: > >Patrick Gainer’s PC-TEA >9 grams ascorbic acid >.25 grams phenidone >100ml triethanolamine (TEA) >Heat the TEA in a pyrex container in themicrowave for 30 sec.-1 minute, >and add the ascorbic acid. When it isdissolved, add the phenidone. Be >careful, because the TEA will get VERY hot. > >Dilute the concentrate 1:50 for use. > >PC-TEA is very good and if you have access to cheap TEA as those in the US >do through www.chemistrystore.com it costs hardly anything. It’s >grainier than Xtol, however, and doesn’t change its characteristics >when diluted more. It works because it is very alkaline, which I think >contributes to the grain characteristics of films developed in it. Many >other ascorbate formulae have these flaws – the absence of the >weakly alkaline pH, low sulfite concentration (but withsome sulfite still >present) and the increase in activity with dilution are what make Xtol >extraordinary. > >John Black’s JB9 is functionally the same as Xtol, but you mix it >yourself. > >The developer is made from 3 liquid concentrates that are stable for at >least 6 months, perhaps a year (stability testing underway). Store the >solutions in glass bottles, tightly capped. The solution A should be store >in the dark (a closed cabinet is fine) or in an amber bottle. > >Solution A: (Phenidone, ascorbic acid) > >Phenidone 1.25 gm >Ascorbicacid- 50.00 gm >Ethyelene or >propylene glycol >or dry methanol- 600 ml > >Warm up solvent to hot tap water temp before dissolvingcomponents. They >will dissolve at about 100-125F. Dissolve ascorbic acid first. > >Solution B: TBE (Tris-borate-EDTA) Sigma cat# T3913 >One 1L dry pkg dissolved in 1L DI water >Other buffer concentrates may be substituted if made up to about half >molar at a pH of about 8.3. Boric acid-metaborate(BA/Kodalk) would be >fine, you may have to fiddle a bit to get the right pH. > >Solution C: Saturated Na Sulfite solution >Na Sulfite(anhydrous)- 180 gm >Distilled water- 600 ml > >Stir vigorously for about 30 min. Temp will rise a bit and it will almost >all go into solution. Let stand overnight to equilibrate (some will >crystallize out). Use after that. > >JB9 developer: >SolA: 10 ml >SolB: 50 ml >Sol C: 20 ml >Distilled H2O Fill to 250 ml > >Add sol B and C to water first, mix and then A (protects phenidonefrom >oxygen in water). This is enough todevelop 1 roll of 35mm film. Scale up >as necessary. Works best as a 1 shot developer at 68F, with moderate >agitation. I use 13 min for Tri-X. > >I’ve used the tris and metaborate/boric acid versions of JB9 and >they are functionally identical to Xtol. You can modify the sulfite >concentration as you like. One of the best things about JB9 from my >perspective is that you can mix the developing agents to the same >concentration as Xtol stock, but keep the same sulfite as Xtol 1+3 (or any >other favoured dilution). This is great for films like TMX and Acros that >run out of developer in Xtol 1+3, or for pushing TMZ. > >Of course the other option is to mix the patent formula Xtol and addboric >acid until the pH of the stock is 8.2, but you may also run into problems >with 'photo grade' chemicals. I really don't think the EDTA alone is >enough to chelate ions out of the chemicals or water. > >Also look at US patents # s 3658527, 5376510, 5503965, 5738979, 6110655, >6489090, 6673528 and 6686135 in addition to the Xtol patent 5756271. > >I hope this explains a few things and is interesting. > >Marty > > >-- >We've Got Your Name at http://www.mail.com! >Get a FREE E-mail Account Today - Choose From 100+ Domains > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist Weill Medical College of Cornell University New York Presbyterian Hospital chs2018@med.cornell.edu Ph. 212.746.6964 Fax. 212.746.4800 Office A-0049