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Subject: [Leica] 12000 feet and no oxygen
From: marcsmall at comcast.net (Marc James Small)
Date: Tue Jun 5 15:17:18 2007
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At 04:32 PM 6/5/2007, Tina Manley wrote:
 >At 04:11 PM 6/5/2007, you wrote:
 >>I'd just take care. A lot of info has been posted these last hours
 >>about people who mind about you: take them seriously.
 >>Philippe
 >
 >I will.  Thanks for all of the advice.  I'll be careful.  This is a
 >workshop that has been going on for years so I'm sure the leaders
 >know what to do about altitude sickness.  I'm usually traveling with
 >a group of doctors and nurses so I haven't had to worry too much
 >about possible illnesses on my trips.  This trip will be different for 
 >sure!

Tina

At only 12,000 feet, a cerebral edema is rather 
unlikely.  This is a common problem for those on 
tall mountains at 20,000 feet or so, but should 
not be a major concern at only 12,000 
feet.  (Those who are interested can contact me 
off-List and I will be happy to discuss cerebral 
edema incidents on Everest in 1922 and on Goodwin-Austen in 1938.)

The general approach to acclimatization is best 
done by some days up and some days down, but that 
is the regimen for C3 on the North Face of 
Everest.  I would suggest the same:  go high, 
then come low, stay a couple of days, and then go 
high again.  Repeat as needed.  But 12,000 feet is not all that high.

A lot of folks do suffer from "altitude sickness" 
when attempting to move from, say, 800 feet above 
sea level to 12,000 feet:  witness the problems 
Ginny Heinlein had in the 1950's at the lower 
altitude of Colorado Springs!  But, again, go 
high, wait a day, then go low for a couple of 
days, then go high again.  This increases the red 
corpuscle count and increases the ability to abosrb the oxygen which is 
there.

In the Andes, there are Indians who work in tin 
mines at 21,000 feet.  These folks will 
cheerfully walk up and down 9,000 feet daily 
rather than try to sleep without oxygen at the 
high point. And then there was the great revelation of George Finch ...

Marc


msmall@aya.yale.edu
Cha robh b?s fir gun ghr?s fir!



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