Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/30

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Subject: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Tue Jan 30 19:01:30 2007
References: <C1E50F82.EB91%heninger@adobe.com> <45BFDABC.2060804@summaventures.com>

Peter, understood on the bloat comments. Doesn't bother me, hard drives are 
ridiculously cheap.
Every week I learn some new thing with PS, a few more features, and it has 
the best tools I know for my purposes. Yes, it's a
sizeable investment and yes most photographers may not use a lot of the 
features. In my case I have it installed as part of the
suite so it's quite an install.
I'm looking forward to investigating the Lightroom as well. 

Glad to hear that you remain committed to film!

Cheers
Hoppy

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org 
[mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Peter Dzwig
Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:55
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0

Hoppy, Wade,

Thanks for the comments. From my perspective is that PSE is infuriating, 
because 
it never really gets there, although at the shake of a CVS tree it could 
almost 
certainly be made a really useful tool for those of us who aren't into 
moving 
images, sound, weird distortion effects and a simple, clean UI. BTW a 16-bit 
system isn't any more expensive, that's a myth. Adobe's been missing a great 
product opprtunity. I just wish that they would bite the bullet and do it. 
PS is 
a bit like a big corporation that needs splitting up in order to deliver 
better 
value.

Hoppy: no, PS is exactly NOT like Leica glass. You buy Leica glass to do one 
thing; get those light rays on to film (I shan't mention that other stuff!) 
in 
the cleanest way possible. It is pure simple optics made to the highest 
quality. 
Yes we can argue about the price, but it does its single job superbly. No 
bloat. 
PS IS bloatware when you consider what the vast majority of we photographers 
want to do with it.

Best to you both

Peter Dzwig

PS Wade please fix that UI

Wade Heninger wrote:
> 
> 
> On 1/30/07 2:54 PM, "G Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 
>> Wade, I bow to your expertise and experience with Lightroom. I have 
>> neither.
> 
> I don't even own the robes of *that* priesthood.  Just a schmo with a 
> camera
> and the audacity to plague others with its output.  But that is most of us.
> 
> I guess the point is that these new tools (LR, Apterture) are really 
> focused
> on providing a better place to "grow up" with digital.
> 
> Starting today?  Learn LR or Aperture and then expand into PS when needed.
> 
>> Guts call regarding not needing to do major work some times ;-) Of course
>> everyone in this group always shoots with perfect or
>> nearly so, exposure and composition.
> 
> LOL.  Yep.  Every once in a while a good picture is made great with these
> tools - sometimes you just don't see X or compensate for Y and its nice to
> turn to them when it merits the attention.
> 
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> w a d e  h e n i n g e r
> u s e r  e x p e r i e n c e
> a d o b e  s y s t e m s ,  i n c  
> 



In reply to: Message from heninger at adobe.com (Wade Heninger) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)
Message from pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig) ([Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0)