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Subject: [Leica] try to do this with modern film/digital
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Wed Dec 6 05:39:18 2006
References: <c9a.44819cb.32a74d98@aol.com> <9b678e0612051805n30ef4df3k1f2f419c501e8e4c@mail.gmail.com>

Don, et al

This sounds like Sociology 101. 

Bah Humbug!




Don Dory wrote:

> Sonny and all,
> Part of the problem with poverty in the southern U.S is that landholding
> was/is concentrated in large tracts owned by a very few individuals.  
> Yes,
> there were some small tracts owned by small landholders such as Sonny's
> grandfather and also more concentrated in Tennessee and Arkansas but 
> in the
> old cotton belts there were landholders who owned very large tracts of
> land.  My great grandfather for example came down with General Pershing
> during the Mexican American war and while bivouacked near Greenville, MS
> took note that the soil was more than 200 feet of wonderful, fertile, 
> well
> watered, rock free loam.  After the war with help from his dad he bought
> almost 7000 acres of land in two plantations.
>
> With wealth concentrated in a very few hands, if you had any snap you 
> went
> somewhere else.  For the African-Americans that meant the 
> slaughterhouses in
> Chicago or the auto plants in the upper Midwest.  Or, in my families 
> case as
> the daughter in the family a good education and life somewhere else.   
> So,
> if in five to ten generations of your brightest or entrepreneurial 
> leaving
> you end up with a very few truly talented and or truly rich surrounded by
> those who don't have much ambition or talent or education in the Boolean
> sense.  So, to this day, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and the 
> Carolina's
> continue to lead the country to the bottom.
>
> As the northerners continue to move south away from high taxes and cold
> winters there is a real demand for better education. less tolerance for
> endemic corruption, and a push for mostly good government.  For outsiders
> nothing has changed but to those of us who grew up in the deep south or
> spent a lot of time growing up there everything has changed.  The endemic
> racism is mostly gone.  Government is mostly truly by the people.  Abject
> povery is mostly gone but a whole lot more needs to happen if 
> everybody is
> going to have a fair shake at an improved life over their parents.  
> Even a
> fair number of ex-pats who moved north are coming back with whole new 
> skill
> sets to add to the community.
>
> Truly stepping in it,
>
> Don
> don.dory@gmail.com
>
>
> On 12/5/06, SonC@aol.com <SonC@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 12/5/2006 3:58:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>> philippe.orlent@pandora.be writes:
>>
>> As much  as I disagree with what happened then and now, my reaction
>> was a  pure esthetic one.
>> Must be-and to my shame-  because it's not part of  my heritage,
>> eventhough I was aware of  it.
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all, this was not a photograph taken of slaves, it was from the
>> thirties.  We have some of the black and white works from the Farm
>> Security
>> Project in our collection.
>>
>> I'll probably get flack for this, but it IS part of my heritage, and
>> I  think
>> I can speak to another side.
>>
>> My Grandfather was a small farmer, and had a large family.  My 
>> mother  was
>> the oldest girl of seven kids.  He plowed the farm with a pair of
>> mules  and a
>> hand plow.
>>
>> Most of my summers until I was about thirteen, and moved to  Germany,
>> werre
>> spent in part at my Grandfather's farm.  A picture like that  could have
>> been
>> taken of my Aunts, Uncles, and cousins.  We would go out  after my
>> grandfather and uncle had plowed, and with hoes, cut up the big
>> clods,  and cut any
>> weeds left.
>>
>> We had no idea we were in what might be considered poverty
>> these  days.  To
>> us it was a rich life, lots of work, but  they raised most  of their 
>> food,
>> including beef and chickens, hunted and fished for other  food.  Store
>> bought
>> clothes were only for church, except jeans or  khakis.
>>
>> We went barefoot to save our good shoes.  It also helped us to know  
>> when
>> we
>> had stepped in something.  (Which I probably just did.)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sonny
>> http://www.sonc.com
>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>> Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
>> ?galit?, libert?,  crawfish
>>
>>
>>
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