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Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Fri Nov 10 14:44:00 2006
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Steve
When I was growing up we had a family friend who survived  the Bataan 
Death March. It looks as if Mr. Powell was Army Air Corps, same as my 
Dad. (also a POW but of the Germans. Another very poignant image, 
especially in these times.

Walt

Steve Barbour wrote:

>
> On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:
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>> Steve
>>
>> When the image is cropped it becomes much cleaner looking. But,  even 
>> though it is cleaner it is not as real. An uncropped b&w  version, at 
>> least to me, makes it better. Otherwise, its seems to  take a graphic 
>> exercise appeal and lose it's "glimpse of reality"  No matter what 
>> you decide, it is a real keeper. :-)
>
>
>
> I see what you mean Walt...it's really a hard call....I lean to the  
> cropped color version...  but in bw I favor the whole scene... oh  
> well,  thanks for your thoughts..they are very valuable to me...
>
> here is another from the same place... for today, veteran's day...
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/pow.jpg.html
>
>
> a keeper... ? too simple and  cryptic....?
>
> maybe I should post it separately...
>
> Steve
>
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> Steve Barbour wrote:
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>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Ted Grant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Steve Barbour showed revised versions:
>>>> Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> several people wisely suggested a crop, and I did this...
>>>>> also several wondered about which is best, color vs bw....
>>>>> so do I... what do you think ?
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross+flower.jpg.html
>>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross  
>>>>> +flowerbw.jpg.html<<<<
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve a very interesting comparison indeed, both cropping and   
>>>> colour vs. B&W.
>>>>
>>>> Pre-crop:
>>>> I "almost" like the more open feel about it and can say "I like  
>>>> it  un-cropped". Almost! Even though I thought the crop would be  
>>>> better  I'm now questioning it. But the right side is a  
>>>> distraction, so  maybe if you had cropped it first and posted it  
>>>> cropped, then we'd  not have the opportunity to see it both ways.
>>>>
>>>> Cropped:
>>>> But even with the crop done right on the mark, I now have this   
>>>> feeling it's jammed too tightly together. Unfortunately this   
>>>> happens sometimes in photography. And I'd have to accept the   
>>>> cropped version simply because the items on the right are  without  
>>>> question a distraction.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose if one were to put their "honesty as a  photojournalist"  
>>>> aside for a moment and clonned over the  disturbing pieces then 
>>>> the  crammed space wouldn't be there and  the picture would be 
>>>> fine.  However, as photojournalists that's  not our cup of tea.
>>>>
>>>> So it needs to either stay cropped, or maybe try to burn the  
>>>> right  side down to a slightly darker level to cut the  
>>>> distraction. Not  dark dark, but subtly.
>>>>
>>>> The conversion to B&W does absolutely nothing for the picture at   
>>>> all. This is due to the yellow flower playing such a strong part  
>>>> of  the over all picture in colour that it doesn't have in B&W.   
>>>> Actually it merely becomes a distracting blob of white waiting  to  
>>>> be "spotted out!"
>>>>
>>>> Given this situation is on a list there will be at least 809   
>>>> versions, 3 in agreement, and 3 who don't care. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> However, I still want to see the picture of you throwing the  
>>>> yellow  flower precisely where it is for maximum effect of  
>>>> composition! ;-)
>>>
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>>> NOT...
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>>>
>>> thanks Ted... I learned a lot from this exercise,
>>>
>>>
>>> and one of the things I learned earlier,  never change the   
>>> composition to enhance the shot...
>>>
>>>
>>> and if you do never admit it....Steve
>>>
>>>>
>>>> ted
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