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Subject: [Leica] ICU image...
From: kididdoc at (Steve Barbour)
Date: Mon Sep 18 11:42:36 2006
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> On Sep 18, 2006, at 9:09 AM, David Rodgers wrote:
>> Ted,
>> Everything you say is right on. However, I have a different  
>> perspective
>> on Steve's first photo. For me having the person on the left out of
>> focus placed the emphasis on the woman on the right. It makes her the
>> dominant subject. And that's where my attention went first. I noticed
>> that she was going through a thought process, trying to figure  
>> something
>> out. To me the person on the left was supporting object. He was
>> providing feedback just like what the woman was obviously looking at.
>> Whether that was a chart, monitor, or some other type of information
>> feedback isn't apparent. So the photograph was about the woman and  
>> her
>> quest to find an answer, or a solution to a problem; something with
>> which I empathized.
>> If the person on the left had been in focus it would have been more
>> about the two of them. It would have been about a discussion  
>> between two
>> people (or maybe more people since it looks the the oof person  
>> might be
>> looking at someone behind the woman rather than at her). Instead it's
>> about the one person.
>> I'm not saying it would have been better or worse for me if both had
>> been in focus. It just would have been different. Whether or not  
>> Steve
>> intended it the way it came out, or whether he was handcuffed by the
>> Noct's dof , I don't know. But it worked for me.
> Ted provided a spot on critique and and his fine editorial  
> help...his impression technically I must say, was correct ...a weak  
> image, and a missed opportunity..
> others have commented that they find something favorable from this  
> image, seen from a different perspective, as David Rogers says......
> I wanted the rear person to be well oof... perhaps less so... but  
> the interplay between teacher and student (intensivist/resident)  
> was what I saw,  and what I wanted...
> a technical compromise would have been most preferable...
> here is the same image... which I subtily altered...

> I removed the first version because I feel this better shows what I  
> saw...
> your comments on this image are most appreciated,
> thanks,
> Steve
>> daveR
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ted Grant []
>> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 8:18 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] ICU images...
>> Steve Barbour showed:
>> Subject: ICU images...
>> Hi Steve,
>>> teaching in the ICU...
>> As you well know that Noctilux can be a killer beautiful creating and
>> capturing piece of glass. Unfortunately the super shallow depth of  
>> field
>> can
>> be a killer in reverse! :-) And that's what I feel kills the  
>> potential
>> this
>> picture had.
>> I find the out of focus person a visual disturbance rather than a  
>> bonus
>> of
>> two people communicating as the picture illustrates. If he were a  
>> stop
>> or
>> two sharper you'd probably have made it.
>> You have the three main elements of making a good picture....
>> LIGHT-EYES-ACTION! The light is fine, available, no problem. The  
>> action,
>> hands, right on the mark making a point! Unfortunately the out of  
>> focus
>> eyes
>> and facial expression of the person at the back kills the whole  
>> scene.
>> :-(
>> :-(
>> Too bad, it's simply a missed moment due to technicalities. :-( These
>> can be
>> corrected in the future in similar situations. Chalk it up to a
>> Look the bottom line in all of this?..... you saw the right moment  
>> and
>> that's far more important than a screwed-up technical thing. Because
>> that
>> illustrates  ....... "you are seeing the right moments!" Besides it's
>> far
>> more important to have the talent to see motivating moments.  Simply
>> because
>> you wont make the same techie errors in the future due to the mistake
>> you
>> made here.
>> Being able to see interesting motivating moments is a basic inherent
>> instinct, you either have it or you don't! Yep some of that can be
>> learned
>> through teaching, working with people who have it and it's picked- 
>> up or
>> learned through osmosis!
>> You can feel bad all you want, forget it! The truth is the next  
>> time you
>> run
>> into this type of depth situation you wont make the same mistake  
>> again!
>> :-)
>> There is good that can come from a screw-up, heck who's so perfect he
>> hasn't
>> ever made a photo error! ;-)
>> The second picture? Jeeeeeeesh you've produced much much better.:- 
>> (  I
>> find
>> the child kind of buried under all the stuff. I'm also influenced  
>> by the
>> better images of situations of this nature you've posted earlier.  
>> This
>> isn't
>> completely bad, it's just not a gold ring winning shot!
>> ted
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