Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/15

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Subject: [Leica] Re: BW modes
From: don.dory at (Don Dory)
Date: Fri Sep 15 08:02:01 2006
References: <000001c6d8c5$e64ada60$6501a8c0@asus930> <00f001c6d8d0$b6f38e50$0a01a8c0@MacPhisto>

Come on Chris,
This would work fine if "convert to grayscale" made you happy.  Or if you
simply desaturated your images which is the same thing as a B&W imaging
would do. In fairness this is not entirely correct wrt pixel density and
ability to see finer detail.

Face it, many images work better if you apply a little filtration as you
convert to B&W.  And you are still going to adjust levels, curves, possibly
a little dodging or burning so maybe you would only spend 2.5 hours getting
your images up to your standards.  Last, as expensive as you are per hour,
it is still cheaper than sending 50 rolls of film to the lab.

We are never happy, photographers have more tools that are better than they
have ever been and still we grump.  Sometime pick up a motorised SP from the
late fifties and compare that with a lowly film Rebel.  Size, weight,
framing rate, available lenses, TTL flash capability, and metering are all
much better today for less money even before inflation.  But hey, you could
at least buy a F1.1 lens for your Nikon then.


On 9/15/06, Christopher Williams <> wrote:
> I'd love to have full BW RAW mode, no color converting at all. Save even
> more time when I'm dealing with 800-1600 images from a wedding. Now that
> we're getting into even more megapixel's in cameras, anything to speed up
> processing. Try converting 500 or more color RAW images to BW jpeg on a
> D1x
> with 10mp interpolation on!
> Also I hate that clients just consider "well, you can just change it to BW
> later right?". I want the BW capture first! I want Neopan 1600 in a 10mp
> camera GD!
> There was talk from Leica on a BW only digital M. Special limited edition
> matte chrome Bresson Digital BW M8.5 camera, only $9999
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G Hopkinson"
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re BW modes
> > B.D., yes, got that you were championing original RAW capture.
> > I understand and agree from my limited knowledge.
> > I've only played with a couple of RAW files (from a D70 user) as an
> educational exercise, but is it not only adding a channel mix
> > choice to the workflow? Meanwhile still preserving all of the RGB info
> as
> options?
> > Maybe I'm being too simplistic, but is the sensor capture fundamentally
> not b/w, with filters/alterations applied to produce the
> > three channels?
> > I can't see that actually being commercially viable to pursue but I can
> see b/w as a minority output choice, being most versatile
> > coming from the three channels. Maybe I'm just overly b/w from colour
> scan
> fixated?
> > I really want to understand better.
> > All knowledge is golden, someone wise said.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Hoppy
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Replies: Reply from leicachris at (Christopher Williams) ([Leica] Re: BW modes)
In reply to: Message from hoppyman at (G Hopkinson) ([Leica] Re BW modes)
Message from leicachris at (Christopher Williams) ([Leica] Re: BW modes)