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Subject: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Mon Aug 21 17:33:29 2006
References: <C10FBFA6.1409F%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

Not for long, I'm heading for the med cabinet right now. Want to get my 
mind right before we all begin out semi-annual genuflection to Whalen 
and Capa. :'(  Lets see, where did my wife hide my Valium?

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B. D. Colen wrote:

>Ohmigod, Walt, are you off the meds again?! ;-)
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>On 8/21/06 7:15 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
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>>Faked it
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>>G Hopkinson wrote:
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>>>B.D. I have read the several posts with great interest, and now have the
>>>facts straight on this one. Importantly, as you noted, I wasn't deriding
>>>either Rosenthal's work nor the bona fides of the participants.
>>>What the posts tell me is that the image of the second flag raising 
>>>rightly
>>>became a very powerful image in support of the just cause.
>>>
>>>Does anyone care to contribute regarding the Capa images that I mentioned?
>>>I shall try to locate the reference to post for the story regarding the
>>>damage to his D Day images. Also, I would be interested in any comments
>>>regarding the Gen McArthur coming ashore reference.
>>>
>>>Cheers
>>>Hoppy
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
>>>
>>>Of course as Rosenthal said at one point, if the famous photo had been
>>>"staged," he would have made damn sure that the five marines and one
>>>corpsman were looking at the camera, so that he could id them left to 
>>>right
>>>and attach home towns...:-)
>>>
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>>>On 8/21/06 3:38 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
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>>>>I think Greg hit it right on the head and B.D. missed the boat a bit in
>>>>his earlier post. It's been so long since I did any marching all those
>>>>stories are foggy. And hell, I never marched that damned good any way. 
>>>>8-)
>>>>
>>>>Walt.
>>>>
>>>>GREG LORENZO wrote:
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>>>>>>hoppyman@bigpond.net.au writes:
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>>>>>>Walt, regarding those particular fighting men, I seem to recall a
>>>>>>documentary saying that the famous photo was in fact a restaging of the
>>>>>>actual event, similar to Gen McArthur wading ashore more than once. I
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>>>see no
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>>>>>>cloned smoke clouds though!
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>>>>>Hoppy,
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>>>>>The famous photo is the second one made that day by Joe Rosenthal. The
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>>>flag
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>>>>>used in the original photo was deemed to be too small so a second, 
>>>>>larger
>>>>>flag was obtained from an officer on a ship offshore for the 2nd iconic
>>>>>image. In that sense it was 'staged' but this was done to enable both 
>>>>>the
>>>>>remaining Japanese and American marines fighting to secure the landing
>>>>>     
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>>>>>          
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>>>strip
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>>>>>and remainder of the island to see that the US had taken Mt. Suribachi
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>>>>>          
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>>>before
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>>>>>they had in-fact 'secured it'.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg
>>>>>     
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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