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Subject: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Mon Aug 21 16:53:18 2006

Ohmigod, Walt, are you off the meds again?! ;-)


On 8/21/06 7:15 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:

> Faked it
> 
> G Hopkinson wrote:
> 
>> B.D. I have read the several posts with great interest, and now have the
>> facts straight on this one. Importantly, as you noted, I wasn't deriding
>> either Rosenthal's work nor the bona fides of the participants.
>> What the posts tell me is that the image of the second flag raising 
>> rightly
>> became a very powerful image in support of the just cause.
>> 
>> Does anyone care to contribute regarding the Capa images that I mentioned?
>> I shall try to locate the reference to post for the story regarding the
>> damage to his D Day images. Also, I would be interested in any comments
>> regarding the Gen McArthur coming ashore reference.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Hoppy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Another famous photographer went
>> 
>> Of course as Rosenthal said at one point, if the famous photo had been
>> "staged," he would have made damn sure that the five marines and one
>> corpsman were looking at the camera, so that he could id them left to 
>> right
>> and attach home towns...:-)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/21/06 3:38 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> I think Greg hit it right on the head and B.D. missed the boat a bit in
>>> his earlier post. It's been so long since I did any marching all those
>>> stories are foggy. And hell, I never marched that damned good any way. 
>>> 8-)
>>> 
>>> Walt.
>>> 
>>> GREG LORENZO wrote:
>>> 
>>>    
>>> 
>>>>> hoppyman@bigpond.net.au writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Walt, regarding those particular fighting men, I seem to recall a
>>>>> documentary saying that the famous photo was in fact a restaging of the
>>>>> actual event, similar to Gen McArthur wading ashore more than once. I
>>>>>        
>>>>> 
>> see no
>>  
>> 
>>>>> cloned smoke clouds though!
>>>>>   
>>>>> 
>>>>>        
>>>>> 
>>>> Hoppy,
>>>> 
>>>> The famous photo is the second one made that day by Joe Rosenthal. The
>>>>      
>>>> 
>> flag
>>  
>> 
>>>> used in the original photo was deemed to be too small so a second, 
>>>> larger
>>>> flag was obtained from an officer on a ship offshore for the 2nd iconic
>>>> image. In that sense it was 'staged' but this was done to enable both 
>>>> the
>>>> remaining Japanese and American marines fighting to secure the landing
>>>>      
>>>> 
>> strip
>>  
>> 
>>>> and remainder of the island to see that the US had taken Mt. Suribachi
>>>>      
>>>> 
>> before
>>  
>> 
>>>> they had in-fact 'secured it'.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Greg
>>>>      
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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