Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/06/15

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Subject: [Leica] Digital Leica M
From: don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory)
Date: Thu Jun 15 10:46:23 2006
References: <9b678e0606150934j3915106dyde0325487729cd8f@mail.gmail.com> <MNEEKMIMDKMOJNOEMFBAMEIMCNAA.ekowaleski@twmi.rr.com>

Ed,
Your eyes tell you that it is the best stuff made.  Your results make you
happy now.  Current image sensors can show more detail and increase lens
aberrations due to the Beyer pattern offsetting color information
reception.  From what others have seen on the RD-1 on 28mm and longer lenses
the image quality is outstanding.  The image quality coming off the R lenses
used on Canon bodies is outstanding.

Leica would not talk about software as that is alien to them.  You have to
have faith that a company that has allowed us to use lenses dating back 70
years will do a reasonable job on the dM.  Heck, I even like the M5.  :)

Don
don.dory@gmail.com


On 6/15/06, Ed Kowaleski <ekowaleski@twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the note, Don. but I'm still in disbelief.  Do you think this
> might be more than a vignetting issue?  Leica's pdf statement made no
> suggestion that the image quality could be improved in software such as PS
> or any other.
>
> Leica is not alone in being anal retentive about its quality.  I've
> shelled
> out quite a bit for 21, 28, 35, 50, and 90mm ASPH lenses thinking I was
> getting the best stuff made.  Apparently it is not so.
>
> I'm starting to feel screwed, betrayed, etc.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+ekowaleski=twmi.rr.com@leica-users.org]On Behalf Of
> Don Dory
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:35 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Digital Leica M
>
>
> Ed,
> Leica is a German company.  They are anal retentive about image quality.
> They have just spent the last ten or so years bringing out a line of
> lenses
> that are possibly equaled be Zeiss in two cases only(25 and 21).  They
> understand their user base and know that most will not want to mess around
> in PS fixing images.  So, I suspect that there will be a fair amount of in
> camera manipulation on images that get the bar code.
>
> So, first, lets take a wait and see attitude.  Second, I suspect that
> there
> will be only one or two lenses in anybodies stable that will be used
> enough
> to justify the retrofit.  This is not much different than when the M came
> out and folks didn't like the fact that they had to buy an adapter to use
> the LTM lenses.  This time around at least the lens will mount and fire
> without spending any money.  If you don't like the image quality then you
> can get it adjusted for a modest fee considering the price to replace.
>
> Deep breath time.  It is far better than what I was told about the
> anti-lock
> brakes on my F150 and the non repairability of them as NO parts were
> available.  :)
>
> Don
> don.dory@gmail.com
>
>
> On 6/15/06, Ed Kowaleski <ekowaleski@twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The software that accompanies the RD-1 has a provision for the
> correction
> > of
> > the effects of vignetting.  I assume Epson calculated that a 15mm lens
> > would
> > vignette so much, a 21 this much, and a 24 that much, etc., and provided
> > image correcting software accordingly.  As far as I can see, it works
> > quite
> > well.
> >
> > Now, it seems suddenly, Leica says, "Oh, by the way, you might want to
> > have
> > these bar codes put on the inner face of your M-lenses so you can
> capture
> > data that tells you which lens was used."  There is more than a  veiled
> > implication that this will also impact image quality because Leica's
> > statement said that these codes would "help optimize image quality".
> > Further, they stated that owners of lenses produced after July 1, would
> > "benefit from the image optimization" resulting from the retrofit
> > application of these bar codes.
> >
> > So there appears to be more at stake that just adding metadata and there
> > seems to be a clear suggestion from Solms that one had better get the
> bar
> > codes put on pre July 1, 2006, lenses or live with some pretty expensive
> > junk.  It sounds as if they've invented a Leica M that in fact cannot
> use
> > older lenses without  some lack of image optimization. Or, is this their
> > solution to the Vignetting problem and rather than take the Epson route
> by
> > fixing the vignetting in software, they have seen this as a profit
> > improvement program? I would think that lots of lenses at 95 Euros each
> > results and a significant Euro flow
> >
> > Please, someone tell me I've misread Leica's statement.
> >
> > Ed Kowaleski
> >
> >
> >
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In reply to: Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) ([Leica] Digital Leica M)
Message from ekowaleski at twmi.rr.com (Ed Kowaleski) ([Leica] Digital Leica M)