Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/18

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Subject: [Leica] Re: Privacy
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Thu May 18 13:50:25 2006
References: <200605181340.k4IDe3wq094414@server1.waverley.reid.org> <972bf96580f35b0f80976b8344839e30@optonline.net> <6.2.1.2.2.20060518122334.00c6bec0@pop.med.cornell.edu> <446CB0F2.4090607@waltjohnson.com> <6.2.1.2.2.20060518141103.00c69a90@pop.med.cornell.edu> <446CC452.7080809@waltjohnson.com> <4cfa589b0605181343vc334a07g83d1f2054dd787dc@mail.gmail.com>

Oh. The privacy babble. I don't understand this need for absolutely  
having to define a spot of one's own.
Should be on the forum, indeed.


Op 18-mei-06, om 22:43 heeft Adam Bridge het volgende geschreven:

> I respectfully request this conversation happen over on the forum in
> keeping with Brian's request.
>
> Adam
>
> On 5/18/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>> I spent several years along the Texas/Mexico border photographing for
>> newspapers and agencies. It was a very interesting experience and  
>> I came
>> away from it with a high regard for the US Border Patrol.  
>> Hardworking,
>> dedicated and very fair-minder individuals. In 4 years I never saw an
>> instance of an agent mistreating illegals even when they didn't know
>> they were being filmed. There are issues  though with regard to  
>> illegal
>> or undocumented border crossers. Drugs, crime, disease are just  
>> the tip
>> of the iceberg. Legal immigration would help but it isn't the US
>> fighting that but Mexico. Only time will tell and the current concern
>> over immigration has given George a respite from Iraq?
>>
>> Walt
>> Chris Saganich wrote:
>>
>> > yea, I suppose Americans were born from isolation and we promote  
>> it as
>> > a political and personal milieu.  It is sad and destructive but
>> > necessary to keep the power structure in tact as it has been for  
>> the
>> > past 200 years.  Look at the Mexican issue.  As soon as these folks
>> > try to get into the "democratic" franchise we send out the National
>> > Guard and the public fund sucking military contractors are all  
>> lined
>> > up to cash in.  This whole episode is a perfect example of our  
>> really
>> > existing democracy and economy at work in all its putrid glory.
>> >
>> > sorry too much antihistamine blockers today...
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > At 01:37 PM 5/18/2006, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> I do believe I mentioned something very similar? Privacy is not
>> >> something new, only class orientated.
>> >>
>> >> Walt
>> >>
>> >> Chris Saganich wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> One must remember that privacy is a class issue, meaning it  
>> can be
>> >>> bought, or fought for, but isn't given for free.
>> >>> Chris S.
>> >>>
>> >>> At 10:39 AM 5/18/2006, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On May 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walt wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> If you  want to let your imagination run wild then  picture  
>> a public
>> >>>>> bath system in a large American city. I think our culture has a
>> >>>>> long way
>> >>>>> to go before attempting to adopt the Japanese attitudes toward
>> >>>>> privacy.
>> >>>>> Our culture, it seems, lacks  respect for much else besides
>> >>>>> consumption.
>> >>>>> That, and the fantasy of spreading "democracy" throughout  
>> the world.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The concept of privacy is a recent phenomenon in American  
>> culture
>> >>>> and is absent in many world cultures. New York City had numerous
>> >>>> public baths which were in use until the 50s. They were  
>> large, well
>> >>>> constructed buildings with warm baths and swimming pools. A good
>> >>>> example can be found on 23rd. St. between First Ave. and the  
>> East
>> >>>> River. Public swimming pools are still in use. Tenements in the
>> >>>> late 1800s and early 1900s were shared by multiple families,  
>> with
>> >>>> perhaps 3 to 4 persons to a room. Often boarders were taken  
>> in to
>> >>>> provide extra income. Strangers eating from a common serving  
>> plate
>> >>>> was common in American inns and boarding houses through the  
>> early
>> >>>> 1900s.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I recently returned from a trip to Williamsburg, VA. We  
>> stayed in
>> >>>> the Brick House, a colonial era hotel in the center of the
>> >>>> restoration area. The hotel had 16 rooms dating from the 1700s.
>> >>>> These rooms, about the size of a small modern bedroom, were  
>> rented
>> >>>> to commercial travelers. The first three or four in each room  
>> got
>> >>>> to share the bed. Late comers, bedded down on mats on the  
>> floor. On
>> >>>> a busy market night, perhaps 6 to 8 strangers shared each room.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The idea of an individual having an inviolable "personal space",
>> >>>> exemplified as one person to one room and/or total control of
>> >>>> information about onself, is very recent and dates from the post
>> >>>> WW2 era. Despite what the Supreme Court says, there is no  
>> "right to
>> >>>> privacy" in the Constitution. The implied "right to privacy"  
>> is a
>> >>>> modern interpretation of the Framer's intent.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Still, I don't want the NSA monitoring my telephone calls.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Larry Z
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
>> >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>> >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital
>> >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu
>> >>> Ph. 212.746.6964
>> >>> Fax. 212.746.4800
>> >>> Office A-0049
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >
>> > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
>> > Weill Medical College of Cornell University
>> > New York Presbyterian Hospital
>> > chs2018@med.cornell.edu
>> > Ph. 212.746.6964
>> > Fax. 212.746.4800
>> > Office A-0049
>> >
>> >
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>>
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In reply to: Message from lrzeitlin at optonline.net (Lawrence Zeitlin) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from chs2018 at med.cornell.edu (Chris Saganich) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)
Message from abridge at gmail.com (Adam Bridge) ([Leica] Re: Privacy)