Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Oh. The privacy babble. I don't understand this need for absolutely having to define a spot of one's own. Should be on the forum, indeed. Op 18-mei-06, om 22:43 heeft Adam Bridge het volgende geschreven: > I respectfully request this conversation happen over on the forum in > keeping with Brian's request. > > Adam > > On 5/18/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote: >> I spent several years along the Texas/Mexico border photographing for >> newspapers and agencies. It was a very interesting experience and >> I came >> away from it with a high regard for the US Border Patrol. >> Hardworking, >> dedicated and very fair-minder individuals. In 4 years I never saw an >> instance of an agent mistreating illegals even when they didn't know >> they were being filmed. There are issues though with regard to >> illegal >> or undocumented border crossers. Drugs, crime, disease are just >> the tip >> of the iceberg. Legal immigration would help but it isn't the US >> fighting that but Mexico. Only time will tell and the current concern >> over immigration has given George a respite from Iraq? >> >> Walt >> Chris Saganich wrote: >> >> > yea, I suppose Americans were born from isolation and we promote >> it as >> > a political and personal milieu. It is sad and destructive but >> > necessary to keep the power structure in tact as it has been for >> the >> > past 200 years. Look at the Mexican issue. As soon as these folks >> > try to get into the "democratic" franchise we send out the National >> > Guard and the public fund sucking military contractors are all >> lined >> > up to cash in. This whole episode is a perfect example of our >> really >> > existing democracy and economy at work in all its putrid glory. >> > >> > sorry too much antihistamine blockers today... >> > Chris >> > >> > At 01:37 PM 5/18/2006, you wrote: >> > >> >> I do believe I mentioned something very similar? Privacy is not >> >> something new, only class orientated. >> >> >> >> Walt >> >> >> >> Chris Saganich wrote: >> >> >> >>> One must remember that privacy is a class issue, meaning it >> can be >> >>> bought, or fought for, but isn't given for free. >> >>> Chris S. >> >>> >> >>> At 10:39 AM 5/18/2006, you wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On May 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walt wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> If you want to let your imagination run wild then picture >> a public >> >>>>> bath system in a large American city. I think our culture has a >> >>>>> long way >> >>>>> to go before attempting to adopt the Japanese attitudes toward >> >>>>> privacy. >> >>>>> Our culture, it seems, lacks respect for much else besides >> >>>>> consumption. >> >>>>> That, and the fantasy of spreading "democracy" throughout >> the world. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> The concept of privacy is a recent phenomenon in American >> culture >> >>>> and is absent in many world cultures. New York City had numerous >> >>>> public baths which were in use until the 50s. They were >> large, well >> >>>> constructed buildings with warm baths and swimming pools. A good >> >>>> example can be found on 23rd. St. between First Ave. and the >> East >> >>>> River. Public swimming pools are still in use. Tenements in the >> >>>> late 1800s and early 1900s were shared by multiple families, >> with >> >>>> perhaps 3 to 4 persons to a room. Often boarders were taken >> in to >> >>>> provide extra income. Strangers eating from a common serving >> plate >> >>>> was common in American inns and boarding houses through the >> early >> >>>> 1900s. >> >>>> >> >>>> I recently returned from a trip to Williamsburg, VA. We >> stayed in >> >>>> the Brick House, a colonial era hotel in the center of the >> >>>> restoration area. The hotel had 16 rooms dating from the 1700s. >> >>>> These rooms, about the size of a small modern bedroom, were >> rented >> >>>> to commercial travelers. The first three or four in each room >> got >> >>>> to share the bed. Late comers, bedded down on mats on the >> floor. On >> >>>> a busy market night, perhaps 6 to 8 strangers shared each room. >> >>>> >> >>>> The idea of an individual having an inviolable "personal space", >> >>>> exemplified as one person to one room and/or total control of >> >>>> information about onself, is very recent and dates from the post >> >>>> WW2 era. Despite what the Supreme Court says, there is no >> "right to >> >>>> privacy" in the Constitution. The implied "right to privacy" >> is a >> >>>> modern interpretation of the Framer's intent. >> >>>> >> >>>> Still, I don't want the NSA monitoring my telephone calls. >> >>>> >> >>>> Larry Z >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Leica Users Group. >> >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist >> >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University >> >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital >> >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu >> >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 >> >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 >> >>> Office A-0049 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Leica Users Group. >> >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leica Users Group. >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> > >> > >> > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist >> > Weill Medical College of Cornell University >> > New York Presbyterian Hospital >> > chs2018@med.cornell.edu >> > Ph. 212.746.6964 >> > Fax. 212.746.4800 >> > Office A-0049 >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leica Users Group. >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >> information >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >