Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/05/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I respectfully request this conversation happen over on the forum in keeping with Brian's request. Adam On 5/18/06, Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote: > I spent several years along the Texas/Mexico border photographing for > newspapers and agencies. It was a very interesting experience and I came > away from it with a high regard for the US Border Patrol. Hardworking, > dedicated and very fair-minder individuals. In 4 years I never saw an > instance of an agent mistreating illegals even when they didn't know > they were being filmed. There are issues though with regard to illegal > or undocumented border crossers. Drugs, crime, disease are just the tip > of the iceberg. Legal immigration would help but it isn't the US > fighting that but Mexico. Only time will tell and the current concern > over immigration has given George a respite from Iraq? > > Walt > Chris Saganich wrote: > > > yea, I suppose Americans were born from isolation and we promote it as > > a political and personal milieu. It is sad and destructive but > > necessary to keep the power structure in tact as it has been for the > > past 200 years. Look at the Mexican issue. As soon as these folks > > try to get into the "democratic" franchise we send out the National > > Guard and the public fund sucking military contractors are all lined > > up to cash in. This whole episode is a perfect example of our really > > existing democracy and economy at work in all its putrid glory. > > > > sorry too much antihistamine blockers today... > > Chris > > > > At 01:37 PM 5/18/2006, you wrote: > > > >> I do believe I mentioned something very similar? Privacy is not > >> something new, only class orientated. > >> > >> Walt > >> > >> Chris Saganich wrote: > >> > >>> One must remember that privacy is a class issue, meaning it can be > >>> bought, or fought for, but isn't given for free. > >>> Chris S. > >>> > >>> At 10:39 AM 5/18/2006, you wrote: > >>> > >>>> On May 18, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Walt wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> If you want to let your imagination run wild then picture a public > >>>>> bath system in a large American city. I think our culture has a > >>>>> long way > >>>>> to go before attempting to adopt the Japanese attitudes toward > >>>>> privacy. > >>>>> Our culture, it seems, lacks respect for much else besides > >>>>> consumption. > >>>>> That, and the fantasy of spreading "democracy" throughout the world. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The concept of privacy is a recent phenomenon in American culture > >>>> and is absent in many world cultures. New York City had numerous > >>>> public baths which were in use until the 50s. They were large, well > >>>> constructed buildings with warm baths and swimming pools. A good > >>>> example can be found on 23rd. St. between First Ave. and the East > >>>> River. Public swimming pools are still in use. Tenements in the > >>>> late 1800s and early 1900s were shared by multiple families, with > >>>> perhaps 3 to 4 persons to a room. Often boarders were taken in to > >>>> provide extra income. Strangers eating from a common serving plate > >>>> was common in American inns and boarding houses through the early > >>>> 1900s. > >>>> > >>>> I recently returned from a trip to Williamsburg, VA. We stayed in > >>>> the Brick House, a colonial era hotel in the center of the > >>>> restoration area. The hotel had 16 rooms dating from the 1700s. > >>>> These rooms, about the size of a small modern bedroom, were rented > >>>> to commercial travelers. The first three or four in each room got > >>>> to share the bed. Late comers, bedded down on mats on the floor. On > >>>> a busy market night, perhaps 6 to 8 strangers shared each room. > >>>> > >>>> The idea of an individual having an inviolable "personal space", > >>>> exemplified as one person to one room and/or total control of > >>>> information about onself, is very recent and dates from the post > >>>> WW2 era. Despite what the Supreme Court says, there is no "right to > >>>> privacy" in the Constitution. The implied "right to privacy" is a > >>>> modern interpretation of the Framer's intent. > >>>> > >>>> Still, I don't want the NSA monitoring my telephone calls. > >>>> > >>>> Larry Z > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist > >>> Weill Medical College of Cornell University > >>> New York Presbyterian Hospital > >>> chs2018@med.cornell.edu > >>> Ph. 212.746.6964 > >>> Fax. 212.746.4800 > >>> Office A-0049 > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist > > Weill Medical College of Cornell University > > New York Presbyterian Hospital > > chs2018@med.cornell.edu > > Ph. 212.746.6964 > > Fax. 212.746.4800 > > Office A-0049 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >