Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Philippe, Have you ever seen the magazine "Black and White Photography" from the UK? http://www.gmcpubs.com In the current, December 2005, issue there is an article about fine grain developers. They run through the merits and disadvantages of Microdol-X, Adox ADX, Calbe A49/Adox ATM49 (both are Agfa Atomal), Tetenal Ultrafin Plus and Mac LP-Cube XS. Most of what has been said about Microdol-X has already been said here. I don't know where the idea comes from that Tri-X is grainy. The 400TX is one of Kodak's most fine-grained films (TMX probably beats it out, but I doubt if much else does). Don't give up on the obvious before you dive into esoteric concoctions. Diluted D76 or Xtol will get you a long way. My print for round 4 of the print exchange was Tri-X and D76 1:1. I don't think it is grainy. Best, Daniel On 1/3/06, Philippe Orlent <philippe.orlent@pandora.be> wrote: > Thank you all for the input. > > But concluding after my initial question: > 1) Better don't combine Tri-X with Microdol X because the developer > counteracts on the speed and grain of the emulsion, thus on the > character of the film. > 2) But if you do, expose the Tri-X at ISO 200, dilute the Microdol 1 > to 3, and search the web (f.i. on http://www.digitaltruth.com/ > devchart.html) for correct development times since Kodak's times stink. > > > > > > Op 3-jan-06, om 17:11 heeft Jeffery Smith het volgende geschreven: > > > I've seen a few respectable pictures taken with Tri-X and Rodinal. > > I've > > never ventured into that combo, but I may try it using a bit of > > overdevelopment like you suggest. It is next to impossible to get > > Rodinal > > down here for a decent price. I think I'll try Photographer's > > Formulary > > generic Rodinal. > > > > Jeffery Smith > > New Orleans, LA > > http://www.400tx.com > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org > > [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > > Dan > > States > > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 8:16 AM > > To: lug@leica-users.org > > Subject: RE: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x > > > > > > Microdol x used at recommended times does reduce film speed, but > > when shot > > at 250 and developement is extended it produces proper negative > > density. I > > have found that much of what I used to call poor resolution was > > actually > > underdevelopement. Tri-x needs to be fully developed or the sharpness > > impression is reduced. The problem with high accutance developers > > like > > FX-39 and Ilfosol s is the granularity increase is very > > unattractive at > > greater than 5x enlargement. (FX-39 is really not even recomended > > for high > > speed film.) > > > > Considering that maximum resolution on hand held photography is > > rarely more > > than 60lp Tri-x is capable of all the sharpness you could need. The > > reduction of grain appearance is, in my opinion, more important to > > final > > image quality with that film. > > > > So far I have found Kodak's rec development times to be total > > crap. Nearly > > all thier films require 15-30% more developement time than their > > website > > states. > > > > In the end, you should try microdol, d76, xtol, DDX, rodinal and other > > developers. They are not expensive, and you will be able to find > > what works > > > > best for you...plus, it's fun! > > > > best wishes > > Dan > > > >> From: "Jeffery Smith" <jsmith342@cox.net> > >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org> > >> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org> > >> Subject: RE: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x > >> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:09:45 -0600 > >> > >> I found that the grain-dissolving action of Microdol-X left very > >> little > >> snap > >> in the images. It even made Panatomic-X look bad. My advice would > >> be....don't use. > >> > >> Jeffery Smith > >> New Orleans, LA > >> http://www.400tx.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org > >> [mailto:lug-bounces+jsmith342=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > >> Philippe > >> Orlent > >> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 3:40 PM > >> To: LUG Group > >> Subject: [Leica] tri-x and microdol-x > >> > >> > >> Just bought both to see how they combine. > >> But having never worked with either: are there things that I should > >> know? Do's and don'ts? > >> Push or pull? > >> Dilute or not? > >> ... > >> I would be very grateful if the combined knowledge base of the LUG > >> would help me on this one. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >