Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/12/06
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I have one. I keep it in the bathroom, framed, with a note underneath--use in case of toilet paper shortage. Slobodan Dimitrov Studio G-8, Angels Gate Cultural Center http://sdimitrovphoto.com On Dec 6, 2005, at 10:34 AM, Sonny Carter wrote: > > Maybe you need to take a look at a copy of the AP stylebook. I think > you might like what you see. It is more like an almanac that an > operations guide. It has temperature conversion tables, all kinds of > definitions. I can't imagine where you are getting this notion that > the AP is some controller of the news, and that they do it by forcing > Journalists to knuckle under. > > It costs about $10.75 in a college bookstore, and is as little more > expensive at regular bookstores. > > Sonny Carter > http://www.sonc.com > Digital Imaging Specialist > Cammie G. Henry Research Center > Northwestern State University of Louisiana > Natchitoches, LA > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > Slobodan Dimitrov > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:58 AM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work > > Well, why don't you answer that question then. Obviously you have an > answer for it. > I think that any conflict of interest raises questions. Sometimes > legitimately, while at other times it tends to over reach. > The best guide for a discussion is in the very term, the free press as > it's associated with freedom of speech. Initially, freedom of > speech was > only applied to publications that were not defined as > 'advertisers'. The > framers correctly inferred that by having a published work depend > on the > revenues of the advertisers would jeopardize its ability to speak > freely. If there was a capability of using financial support as a > threat > for editorial content guidance, then it circumscribed that freedom by > its very possibility. > Traditionally, the business community used foundations as a method of > creating distance for the sake of propriety and appearances. That has > recently eroded to a virtually non-existent line. A case in point is > NPR. At one time, one could see in the past a different approach with > its underwriting. The term 'underwriting' alone speaks volumes. I > think > now we can see a radical departure from those practices that were once > attuned to the public's concerns over its prerogatives, i.e. an > uninhibited environment where speech can direct itself wherever the > public mood sees it fit to go, without hindrance. > Another area of business support has been in the academic area. In the > past it has been somewhat benignly applied. However, there has been > concerns of late, where a department's endowment of chairs and the > like > are making them vulnerable to issues surrounding intellectual property > rights. Apparently even an instructor's class notes, by which they > lecture their classes, and often times are used for publication, > can be > encumbered as a property of the donating entity. > As we well know, the slippery slope doesn't fall toward the morally > grounded side, it tends to fall in the direction of utilitarian > concerns and the fiscally expedient. > > > > Slobodan Dimitrov > Studio G-8, > Angels Gate Cultural Center > http://sdimitrovphoto.com > > > > > > On Dec 6, 2005, at 8:24 AM, B. D. Colen wrote: > >> Why is it any better to have one university 'control' all of academic >> style than it is to have the AP control newspaper style - if you want >> to call it control? And as Sonny quite correctly pointed out, the AP >> is a cooperative made up of all its member newspapers, so it's really >> a case of most newspapers agreeing on matters of style. >> >> >> On 12/6/05 10:54 AM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net> >> wrote: >> >>> Ys, but there is something less onerous about a university's >>> involvement. >>> >>> Slobodan Dimitrov >>> Studio G-8, >>> Angels Gate Cultural Center >>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2005, at 7:23 AM, B. D. Colen wrote: >>> >>>> But what's your point? Try getting a masters or Ph.D without using >>>> the Chicago Manual of Style... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/5/05 4:36 PM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I gladly stand corrected. However, try graduating with a degree in >>>>> print journalism without following AP's published guidelines. >>>>> >>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov >>>>> Studio G-8, >>>>> Angels Gate Cultural Center >>>>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Sonny Carter wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> AP is a cooperative, not a corporation. TV Stations, radio >>>>>> stations or newspapers are members of AP and pay fees to use >>>>>> stuff, and are paid fees when they supply news pieces. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sonny Carter >>>>>> http://www.sonc.com, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Digital Imaging Specialist >>>>>> Cammie G. Henry Research Center >>>>>> Northwestern State University of Louisiana Natchitoches, LA >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org >>>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+cartersn=nsula.edu@leica-users.org] On Behalf >>>>>> Of B. >>>>>> D. Colen >>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 3:16 PM >>>>>> To: Leica Users Group >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work >>>>>> >>>>>> Absolutely not, the whore agreed.;-) However...not textbooks, >>>>>> Slobodan, just a manual of style. And given that it's used by >>>>>> most > >>>>>> newspapers, because they belong to the AP and use its copy, >>>>>> and is > >>>>>> used by many other publications as well, it makes sense to use it >>>>>> in J schools. >>>>>> Hardly corporate control though, in the sense that you're >>>>>> implying. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/5/05 1:41 PM, "Slobodan Dimitrov" <s.dimitrov@charter.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey, there's nothing wrong with a journalist being on the take. >>>>>>> Oops, >>>>>>> I meant to say...in participating with a product manufacture's >>>>>>> informational campaign. >>>>>>> After all, don't they have to pass college courses in journalism >>>>>>> by using textbooks and guidelines printed by a corporation >>>>>>> called > >>>>>>> AP. >>>>>>> So, why stop at graduation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov >>>>>>> Studio G-8, >>>>>>> Angels Gate Cultural Center >>>>>>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2005, at 8:04 AM, Ted Grant wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Slobodan Dimitrov offered: >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Salgado' s work >>>>>>>>>>> Funny how that works. >>>>>>>>> When a photographer thinks a project is important enough, they >>>>>>>>> go a >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> up a format, and down a technology.<< >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Slobodan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd almost put money on the table he's received financial >>>>>>>> support of some kind to use other than the Leica. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ted >>>>>>>> Ted Grant Photography Limited >>>>>>>> 1817 Feltham Road >>>>>>>> Victoria BC V8N 2A4 >>>>>>>> 250-477-2156 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>>> information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>>> information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>>> information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information