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Subject: [Leica] Inspired by a film
From: cochranpr at mac.com (David Cochran)
Date: Sat Nov 5 17:36:33 2005
References: <BF929A27.1E144%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Mark, there is also an adjustment that as to be made on the camera 
plates and tensions on the magazines to be able to shoot the thiner 
black & white.

peace

David

On Nov 5, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> I may be more inspired by Cinematogs than Photogs.
> And should have gone that route but not having the raw guts.
> I understand that many of the modern major black and white movies are 
> shot
> in color neg. because of processing availabilities.
> Which introduces danger of the thing just being printed in color as 
> they
> start running out of money and acquiesce as they realize that the 
> "foreign"
> market has zero tolerance for black and white. They will get no foreign
> market sales. I hear.
> And it helps out I guess for scenes like in "Schindler's List" with the
> Warsaw Ghetto shot with the super long tele of the little girl running
> around in a red dress with everything and everybody else in the whole 
> film
> in black and white.
> One of the great shots certainly in the history of Cinema.
>
> Also "Icicle Thief" (Ladri di saponette) (A takeoff on the classic 
> "Bicycle
> Thief") "Icicle Thief" being remarkable film in which everything is 
> black
> and white except Heidi Komarek (a supermodel in real life) who is in 
> color.
> And she would have stood out plenty if left in black and white as she 
> was
> two heads taller than everybody else.
> And real blond.
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097702/
>
> I also understand then when Barnack and maybe a few others right 
> before him
> started with the idea of movie film for stills they went with a "double
> frame" format calling it that. The 36x24mm or close to it format.
> The single frame format they was all used from before being 24x18.
> I still have some WESS paper slide mounts with that delineation -
> demarcation.
> But now we call this the diminutive "half frame".
>
> The idea of course being that single frame for stills (now called half
> frame) would be pushing the whole thing a bit in the printing.
> They'd be having a happy time doing wallets until they got bored with 
> it and
> went back to larger formats.
>
> Now everybody's pretty much shooting with the original single frame for
> movie format only they're calling APS-C it or something like that.
>
> "The use of the term "APS-C" is perhaps unfortunate for a format some 
> are
> hoping will stay around. It's derived from the similar frame size of 
> the
> late, but not lamented, APS film format (APS "Classic" format was 23.4 
> x
> 16.7 mm) . We all know what a success that was. Smaller, lighter 
> cameras
> were promised - but not delivered, and image quality, though fine for 
> small
> prints, couldn't match 35mm. Image quality may have been "good enough" 
> for
> the vast majority of users (who rarely make a print larger than 5x7), 
> but
> that didn't really help!"
> http://www.photo.net/oped/bobatkins/full_frame.html
>
> I love The lenses designed for this smaller image circle are sure 
> cuter and
> niftier and my cry for years on the LUG has been:
> BRING BACK HALF FRAME!!!!
> I want to shoot this size ON FILM!!!
> As with tab grain Academy award film technology our prints can 
> certainly
> stand it. I'm fond of verticals (portrait mode). Heck I shoot my 
> landscape
> in Portrait mode!:)
> And we can shoot all day with one roll of film!
> So who needs digital!!?
>
>
>
> Mark Rabiner
> Photography
> Portland Oregon
> http://rabinergroup.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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