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Subject: [Leica] FW: Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing Violence, Chaos
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Fri Sep 2 15:17:55 2005
References: <20050902163644.43728.qmail@web34006.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Housing projects were/are a bad idea. Concentrating so much poverty,
misery and vast disfunction all together in isolated areas is a recipe for,
well, for just about what we've gotten ourselves into at the current time.

Scott

Chris Williams wrote:

>Well the gangs in New Orleans only know mass murder. Get rid of them and 
>the situation is at least a little easier.
> 
>If anyone has ever been in the projects of New Orleans, you'd see what I'm 
>saying. 
> 
>It was so bad 11 yrs when we first moved here that the military was 
>threatening to move in to stop violence. Chief Pennigton restored allot of 
>order by kicking out the corrupt police. He moved on  2yrs ago to Atlanta. 
>Then murders started going back up. Sometimes 3 or 4 a night within blocks 
>of each other. The city thought moving some projects would help. Some were 
>moved to NO East and Slidell. Guess what, Slidell crime when skyrocket.
> 
>I can tell you in my area that when they moved the projects out, our crime 
>went way down, more shops opened and walking around at night became 
>something we could do. I used to have to watch out for our house and car 
>after Mardi Gras parades because gangs would knock out windows. Police 
>would have to escort them back to the projects.
> 
>If they don't care for human life, why should we care about them?
> 
>By the way, Bush had to spend 30 minutes in AL posing for photo ops??? 
>Gimme a fecking break. and they say they are in a hurry.
> 
>7 Minutes during 9/11, 30 minutes for 2 million displaced.
> 
>Chris
>
>
>Chris Saganich <chs2018@med.cornell.edu> wrote:
>Oh yea that is a solution which has never been tried. How simple. I'm 
>always amazed at how little we Americans understand about our own 
>society. Such blindness will never make us strong, or help us solve 
>problems in any other way but mass murder. Go for it Chris. Get out there 
>and make a difference.
>
>Chris
>
>At 08:40 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote:
>  
>
>>The Ward Gangs in N.O. are heavily armed, always have been. We're talking 
>>AK-47s, Uzis, etc. They do not care for human lives. Even before this 
>>photographers would be risking their lives going into project areas. I've 
>>seen coroner photos for years in New Orleans.
>>
>>It's not worth it to risk your life down there. Though I feel sorry for 
>>the vast majority of poor still stuck in New Orleans, these project people 
>>are not worth it. Just like in Iraq, the only way to get rid of insurgency 
>>is to kill them, or get out and save yourself.
>>
>>Even the NOPD friends I know would kill them given the chance. And these 
>>are black friends saying this.
>>
>>Chris
>>New Orleans
>>
>>
>>
>>Scott McLoughlin wrote:
>>I wonder if the Toronto and NYT jounalists were shooting discrete MP's
>>and Noctilux (on topic - see) if they could have avoided police
>>violence. For
>>that matter, I wonder why with all the looting and gun violence going on
>>why
>>police would have wasted their time with lone journalists wielding just
>>a simple
>>camera of any stripe?
>>
>>Maybe FEMA should issue a warning to photo journalists and other press
>>personel to avoid dangerous, armed roaming police personel at all costs.
>>Sheesh, what a miserable country we live in - or so I'm sometimes led to
>>think. My Ukrainian g'friend pretty much hates it here, and I defend this
>>country to teeth. I'm gonna have a field day tomorrow when I see her.
>>Can't help it, I'm crying here.
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>Timothy Atherton wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>if anyone is thinking of photographing in N.O.....
>>>
>>>>From Donald Winslow at the NPPA:
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>Subject: Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing
>>>Violence, Chaos
>>>Importance: High
>>>
>>>
>>>Full Story Online At:
>>>http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
>>>
>>>Photojournalists Covering Katrina Fall Victim To Growing Violence, Chaos
>>>
>>>AUSTIN, TX (September 1, 2005) &shy; As photojournalists continue to 
>>>      
>>>
>>document
>>    
>>
>>>the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina?s violent assault on the Gulf Coast,
>>>today they also found themselves documenting new violence and death among
>>>the survivors, the refugees, and the looters and police and rescuers in 
>>>New
>>>Orleans, while some photojournalists even fell victim to the violence
>>>themselves.
>>>
>>>Two veteran photojournalists - NPPA member Rick Wilking of Reuters and
>>>Getty's Mark Wilson - were robbed of cameras and computer equipment today
>>>while on assignment in a neighborhood in New Orleans, and a 
>>>photojournalist
>>>and a reporter were confronted at gunpoint and slammed against a wall by
>>>police following a shoot-out between looters and cops that left at least 
>>>one
>>>person dead.
>>>
>>>Another photojournalist - Lucas Oleniuk of the Toronto Star - was knocked 
>>>to
>>>the ground by police, his gear taken from him initially, when he
>>>photographed them shooting at looters and then beating one. A New York 
>>>Times
>>>photojournalist and Times-Picayune reporter Gordon Russell were slammed 
>>>into
>>>a wall by police at gunpoint after they witnessed a shoot-out between cops
>>>and looters that left at least one person dead.
>>>
>>>In response to the growing violence and an increasing sense of despair 
>>>among
>>>the stranded survivors, some television networks have hired armed private
>>>security firms to protect their journalists as they work to cover the 
>>>story.
>>>
>>>Full Story Online At:
>>>http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2005/09/hurricane2.html
>>>
>>>
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>
>Chris Saganich, Sr. Physicist
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>New York Presbyterian Hospital
>
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