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Subject: [Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Tue Aug 30 12:45:45 2005
References: <20050830143905.89789.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>

Didn't Puts have some other article claiming that digital
was going to require really good glass?  Hmmmm.....

Bob Haight wrote:

>I'll jump in here on the Put's article. I thought it
>interesting that he downplays lens quality with
>digital due to what he says is enlargement without
>distortion through software eliminating the need for
>top quality lenses as was needed with film
>enlargements. This is a critical point because Leica
>is betting people will insist on using their glass
>with digital. Erwin thinks this may not be the case.
>An interesting read from Erwin, especially his pics
>vis a vis the lenses used.
>
>--- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>It's raw, Scott. The current generation of Canons -
>>20D, EOS MKII - etc. are
>>incredibly impressive in terms of controlling noise.
>>
>>
>>On 8/28/05 12:27 PM, "Scott McLoughlin"
>><scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>If no noise-removal has been applied, that is on
>>>      
>>>
>>damn impressive
>>    
>>
>>>ISO3200 image.
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>B. D. Colen wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Speaking of the narrowing gap....
>>>>This image taken with the new full-frame Canon 5D
>>>>        
>>>>
>>and posted as a raw at
>>    
>>
>>>>dpreview, was shot at 3200 iso...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>http://img.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5d_preview/img_0128-raw-rit.jpg
>  
>
>>>>The question isn't the DMR and Leica's survival,
>>>>        
>>>>
>>but with Canon pushing this
>>    
>>
>>>>out the door at about 3K, it's every other
>>>>        
>>>>
>>company's ultimate survival....
>>    
>>
>>>>On 8/28/05 11:42 AM, "Steven A. Melnyk"
>>>>        
>>>>
>><melnyk@msu.edu> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>I have just had a chance to review Erwin's
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>comments on the DM-R and
>>    
>>
>>>>>frankly I am not too surprised. The long-term
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>forecast for products
>>    
>>
>>>>>such as the DM--R is not good.  Why?  What we
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>have in the DM-R is an
>>    
>>
>>>>>example of a hybrid technology.  These products
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>and the technology
>>    
>>
>>>>>that they are based typically represent a
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>stop-gap measure.  Examples
>>    
>>
>>>>>include the QBOF (the transition between the
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>open hearth steel
>>    
>>
>>>>>furnace and the Basic Oxygen Furnace), the
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>bias-ply radial, and the
>>    
>>
>>>>>steamship with sails.  In each case, the product
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>thrived for a short
>>    
>>
>>>>>period of time but ultimately they fail.  They
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>are replaced by
>>    
>>
>>>>>superior products and superior technology.
>>>>>
>>>>>In spite of how much we enjoy Leicas, their
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>lenses and their
>>    
>>
>>>>>products, the reality is that for most
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>photographers, the future is
>>    
>>
>>>>>digital,  With new advances coming out as
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>quickly as they have been,
>>    
>>
>>>>>increasingly the quality gap between film and
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>digital is rapidly
>>    
>>
>>>>>closing.  I have a number of Leicas (M5, M6 TTL,
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>M7, R9).  Yet, I no
>>    
>>
>>>>>longer use them as often. Whenever I go out, I
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>find myself reaching
>>    
>>
>>>>>for my Canon 20D or my Nikon D2H.
>>>>>
>>>>>Frankly, I am not too optimistic about the DM-R.
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>> It is simply far
>>    
>>
>>>>>too little, too late, and too expense. My two
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>cents worth.
>>    
>>
>>>>>Steven A. Melnyk
>>>>>Department of Marketing & Supply Chain
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>Management
>>    
>>
>>>>>Michigan State University
>>>>>melnyk@msu.edu
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from msadat at gmail.com (mehrdad) ([Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R)
In reply to: Message from rhaightjr at yahoo.com (Bob Haight) ([Leica] Re: Erwin Puts on the DM-R)