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Subject: [Leica] Now MF, was where oh where is the DMR now Canon
From: Jim at hemenway.com (Jim Hemenway)
Date: Fri Jul 1 19:24:06 2005
References: <BEEAE6C9.22E4%bdcolen@comcast.net>

'Cause I am! ;-)

B. D. Colen wrote:

> Congratulations, Jim - And as to the photos - the exposures look great, but
> why are the images so, uh, square? :-)
> 
> 
> On 7/1/05 10:24 AM, "Jim Hemenway" <Jim@hemenway.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Scott:
>>
>>You might take a look at a Rollei 6x6 SLR.  The metering system is the
>>best that I've ever used, that of my R8 is second best.
>>
>>Here's some using various lenses. The first two are not with the Rollei
>>6008i but the rest are.
>>http://www.hemenway.com/DarkDayAcadia/
>>
>>And, here's just one roll from my 37 year old daughter's wedding three
>>weeks ago, (91 F)     http://www.hemenway.com/Wedding/
>>A small, very non-formal ceremony in the happy couple's home, attended
>>by both crazy families.
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>Scott McLoughlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark,
>>>
>>>Well, you "caught" me :-)  Yes, I've been eye-balling a RZ67 kit. About
>>>$1K in
>>>EX or EX+ condition from KEH with the 110/2.8 longer normal lens. Then I'd
>>>spring for the 210/4.5 APO or some other short tele, and that's pretty
>>>much it.
>>>
>>>A good buddy of mine has a Mamiya 7II and the normal lens, and I don't 
>>>know
>>>if this is the right beast for me. He had a hell of a time getting the
>>>RF aligned
>>>precisely, and more significantly, it's really not so good for head
>>>shots. But he
>>>also sings the praises of the 6x7 to me (he's coming from 4x5).
>>>
>>>Generally, I'm planning on shooting people with this camera on a tripod 
>>>and
>>>some studio lights.
>>>
>>>In 6x6, I have also been eyeballing 'blad 501 stuff, and TLR's as well.
>>>TLR's
>>>would allow for hand holding and candid photography. Maybe a 'blad, with
>>>it's
>>>lower weight would be 1 do-all  tripod/handheld combo system.
>>>
>>>I'll see.
>>>
>>>As for MF RF Texas Leicas, I'm pretty happy with my actual Leicas :-)
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>Mark Rabiner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Anyway, back to photography, I find there are so many factors that
>>>>>make/break a photo more than the capture device. Film processing,
>>>>>scanning technique, "digital darkroom" dodge/burn and sharpening
>>>>>work, tripod use or handheld steadiness, printing, mood - and light!
>>>>>
>>>>>The real "competitor" to my Nikon DSLR is likely to be a 6x7 MF
>>>>>system I've been researching and shopping around for. I want a big
>>>>>scan of a big B&W negative. That's what I really want for Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>>And until then, my 2 Leica M6TTL's and a few lenses get a good
>>>>>90% of my shooting time anyway. Just fits in a small bag so nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well Scott when you say "6x7 MF system " you should tell us if it's
>>>>SLR or
>>>>not. I do have this one theory on 6x7. On presentation on the light table
>>>>being its only real advantage; not image quality in larger prints which
>>>>would be the only reason I can think of of getting into it.
>>>>A 6x7 blows away all 6x6's on the light table is what sums it up. My
>>>>little
>>>>theory that is. Not so on the gallery walls I'm sure. Large prints.
>>>>But for some non logical reason a 6x7 seems twice as big as a 6x6 on a
>>>>light
>>>>table. And at the movement of reckoning...............
>>>>When you're showing them you're "take".
>>>>No ones looking at the 6x6's. It's like they are not even there.
>>>>So it gets people like Anne Liebowitz and Herb Ritz putting their
>>>>Hassies on
>>>>the shelf for the interim..
>>>>
>>>>Just keep in mind what a backless, lensless, prismlesss, Hasselblad
>>>>500 CM
>>>>or W looks like if you've ever seen one which most have probably not.
>>>>Its a 500 gram 3 inch hollow cube with a mirror in it. Made in Sweden.
>>>>Yours for a couple hundred bucks.
>>>>Glass from Zeiss made in Germany as good as it gets of all shapes and
>>>>sizes
>>>>each one with it's own shutter for a couple hundred bucks a pop. Ok I
>>>>slightly exaggerate.*
>>>>
>>>>A new Leica MP weights 100 grams more than this. (600 grams for a new
>>>>Leica
>>>>MP)
>>>>Cost ten times more..
>>>>And gives you a neg 3.5 times smaller.
>>>>This only occasionally freaks me out.
>>>>
>>>>What does get my attention is that to get that extra centimeter for 6x7
>>>>instead of 6x6 means to get a camera which is three times bigger and
>>>>heaver.
>>>>Especially if you're wanting that rotatable back of the RB or RZ.
>>>>I'd go check that out; look up the Mamiya site for the 6x7 RZ like I just
>>>>did with the Leica site and I weighted and measured my Blad on my own but
>>>>I'll leave the RZ specs to the home viewer.
>>>>Suffice to say 12 on a roll instead of 10 or 9.
>>>>Squares (with their natural centers making for much easier composition
>>>>and
>>>>later flexibility) RULE!!
>>>>http://rabinergroup.com/ImagePages/Biteme.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>So hopefully you're thinking a Mamiya or Fuji Rangefinder.
>>>>Texas Leicas.
>>>>Wonder bread Leicas. Leicas with a whole lot of air pumped into them.
>>>>Me I'd opt for one of the 645 jobs.
>>>>Once you've gotten into Brownie Film you're over that "trying to pump
>>>>light
>>>>though a keyhole" effect you've got with 35mm which you don't with medium
>>>>format.
>>>>Medium format opens it up. Lets the light pour through.
>>>>But to me it only needs 645 to do that.
>>>>And that's 16 on a roll. A slice of pie for everybody.
>>>>On the  "A 16-member Pakistan cricket team "!
>>>>
>>>>Or a murder of 16 crows if that's how many are up there!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>* a couple of hundred bucks now for Hassy stuff used.
>>>>But once the medium format digital backs hit that magic price point that
>>>>gear will be in a Bear market again.
>>>>Of course the idea is to sell high; buy low.
>>>>Those who sold their Hassies for a song. Some extra memory cards I say
>>>>"phooey" to. And your dog!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Mark Rabiner
>>>>Photography
>>>>Portland Oregon
>>>>http://rabinergroup.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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