Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/07/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jim, I think a Rollei 6008 is going to be a little rich for my blood. Even if I can get a deal on a used body, lenses seem pricey. Used Mamiya RB/RZ and Hassie gear seems heavily discounted right now, and I'd like to take advantage of this. Scott Jim Hemenway wrote: > Scott: > > You might take a look at a Rollei 6x6 SLR. The metering system is the > best that I've ever used, that of my R8 is second best. > > Here's some using various lenses. The first two are not with the > Rollei 6008i but the rest are. > http://www.hemenway.com/DarkDayAcadia/ > > And, here's just one roll from my 37 year old daughter's wedding three > weeks ago, (91 F) http://www.hemenway.com/Wedding/ > A small, very non-formal ceremony in the happy couple's home, attended > by both crazy families. > > Jim > > > > Scott McLoughlin wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> Well, you "caught" me :-) Yes, I've been eye-balling a RZ67 kit. >> About $1K in >> EX or EX+ condition from KEH with the 110/2.8 longer normal lens. >> Then I'd >> spring for the 210/4.5 APO or some other short tele, and that's >> pretty much it. >> >> A good buddy of mine has a Mamiya 7II and the normal lens, and I >> don't know >> if this is the right beast for me. He had a hell of a time getting >> the RF aligned >> precisely, and more significantly, it's really not so good for head >> shots. But he >> also sings the praises of the 6x7 to me (he's coming from 4x5). >> >> Generally, I'm planning on shooting people with this camera on a >> tripod and >> some studio lights. >> >> In 6x6, I have also been eyeballing 'blad 501 stuff, and TLR's as >> well. TLR's >> would allow for hand holding and candid photography. Maybe a 'blad, >> with it's >> lower weight would be 1 do-all tripod/handheld combo system. >> >> I'll see. >> >> As for MF RF Texas Leicas, I'm pretty happy with my actual Leicas :-) >> >> Scott >> >> Mark Rabiner wrote: >> >>>> Anyway, back to photography, I find there are so many factors that >>>> make/break a photo more than the capture device. Film processing, >>>> scanning technique, "digital darkroom" dodge/burn and sharpening >>>> work, tripod use or handheld steadiness, printing, mood - and light! >>>> >>>> The real "competitor" to my Nikon DSLR is likely to be a 6x7 MF >>>> system I've been researching and shopping around for. I want a big >>>> scan of a big B&W negative. That's what I really want for Xmas. >>>> >>>> And until then, my 2 Leica M6TTL's and a few lenses get a good >>>> 90% of my shooting time anyway. Just fits in a small bag so nicely. >>>> >>>> Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Well Scott when you say "6x7 MF system " you should tell us if it's >>> SLR or >>> not. I do have this one theory on 6x7. On presentation on the light >>> table >>> being its only real advantage; not image quality in larger prints which >>> would be the only reason I can think of of getting into it. >>> A 6x7 blows away all 6x6's on the light table is what sums it up. My >>> little >>> theory that is. Not so on the gallery walls I'm sure. Large prints. >>> But for some non logical reason a 6x7 seems twice as big as a 6x6 on >>> a light >>> table. And at the movement of reckoning............... >>> When you're showing them you're "take". >>> No ones looking at the 6x6's. It's like they are not even there. >>> So it gets people like Anne Liebowitz and Herb Ritz putting their >>> Hassies on >>> the shelf for the interim.. >>> >>> Just keep in mind what a backless, lensless, prismlesss, Hasselblad >>> 500 CM >>> or W looks like if you've ever seen one which most have probably not. >>> Its a 500 gram 3 inch hollow cube with a mirror in it. Made in Sweden. >>> Yours for a couple hundred bucks. >>> Glass from Zeiss made in Germany as good as it gets of all shapes >>> and sizes >>> each one with it's own shutter for a couple hundred bucks a pop. Ok I >>> slightly exaggerate.* >>> >>> A new Leica MP weights 100 grams more than this. (600 grams for a >>> new Leica >>> MP) >>> Cost ten times more.. >>> And gives you a neg 3.5 times smaller. >>> This only occasionally freaks me out. >>> >>> What does get my attention is that to get that extra centimeter for 6x7 >>> instead of 6x6 means to get a camera which is three times bigger and >>> heaver. >>> Especially if you're wanting that rotatable back of the RB or RZ. >>> I'd go check that out; look up the Mamiya site for the 6x7 RZ like I >>> just >>> did with the Leica site and I weighted and measured my Blad on my >>> own but >>> I'll leave the RZ specs to the home viewer. >>> Suffice to say 12 on a roll instead of 10 or 9. >>> Squares (with their natural centers making for much easier >>> composition and >>> later flexibility) RULE!! >>> http://rabinergroup.com/ImagePages/Biteme.html >>> >>> >>> So hopefully you're thinking a Mamiya or Fuji Rangefinder. >>> Texas Leicas. >>> Wonder bread Leicas. Leicas with a whole lot of air pumped into them. >>> Me I'd opt for one of the 645 jobs. >>> Once you've gotten into Brownie Film you're over that "trying to >>> pump light >>> though a keyhole" effect you've got with 35mm which you don't with >>> medium >>> format. >>> Medium format opens it up. Lets the light pour through. >>> But to me it only needs 645 to do that. >>> And that's 16 on a roll. A slice of pie for everybody. >>> On the "A 16-member Pakistan cricket team "! >>> >>> Or a murder of 16 crows if that's how many are up there! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * a couple of hundred bucks now for Hassy stuff used. >>> But once the medium format digital backs hit that magic price point >>> that >>> gear will be in a Bear market again. >>> Of course the idea is to sell high; buy low. >>> Those who sold their Hassies for a song. Some extra memory cards I say >>> "phooey" to. And your dog!!! >>> >>> >>> Mark Rabiner >>> Photography >>> Portland Oregon >>> http://rabinergroup.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information