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Subject: [Leica] Erwin's Latest
From: stasys1 at cox.net (Stasys Petravicius)
Date: Mon Jun 13 07:37:11 2005
References: <BED30ED5.1796%bdcolen@comcast.net>

I think B.D. hit the nail on the head- getting"a meaningful image". 
After taking a class in the History of Photography I came away with 
that conclusion. The photogs were not using the equip that we have 
available- and they made impressive images. Stasys
On Jun 13, 2005, at 7:22 AM, B. D. Colen wrote:

> As to the comments about the company and its future and direction -
>
>
> What is really funny about the latest pronouncement from Mt. Puts is 
> that
> it's simply a repeat of what a few of us have been saying on the LUG 
> for the
> past 2-5 years. But of course when it's said by people on the list, 
> it's
> negative bull shit; when it's said by Erwin Puts, it's perceived 
> wisdom. :-)
> --------
>
> As to the comments about the Canon lenses -
> It's not that photographers won't "notice," it's that real 
> photographers
> know it just doesn't matter - what matters is getting a meaningful 
> image,
> not the technical accomplishment of getting the woof and weave in the 
> pants
> someone in the shot is wearing. And that's true even if one is shooting
> birds or bats or flowers - unless one is doing the shooting as part of
> scientific research. ;-)
>
> On 6/13/05 2:03 AM, "Scott McLoughlin" <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
>
>> Some interesting takeaways.
>>
>> Canon lenses are ok, but not nearly up to Leica snuff. Many photogs
>> "won't notice." In any case, Canon's current R&D is oriented toward
>> IS zooms where even more design compromises are the norm.
>>
>> Good PR is really important to sell products these days. The tech
>> driven companies got it, and the traditional chemistry companies
>> don't.  Rings true with me.
>>
>> Leica has lacked imagination over the last 5 years. Has (had) a
>> chance to closely identify their product with the tradition of B&W
>> film photography but so far has failed to gain/increase significant
>> mindshare in the market.  Sounds right to me.
>>
>> Focus on collectors and historically driven buyers alienates shooter
>> oriented potential customers. Rings very, very true to my ears.
>>
>> Digital will require partnerships because Leica doens't have enough
>> money to completely roll their own digital solutions (duh). They
>> haven't managed the existing partnerships well, in terms of 
>> disitinguishing
>> their products from the partner's.
>>
>> OK. All makes sense.
>>
>> -1- Cheaper 135 format film camera. Little smaller, polycarb. A few
>> polycarb build Summicrons. This is to help strengthen Leica's 
>> mindshare
>> amoung the "traditional B&W film" crowd.  Get new customers, and get
>> some of the used buyers to buy new. Also a good backup body. Smaller
>> appeals to the Leica III and CL crowd too.  It's all good.
>>
>> -2- Keep making the nice traditional M's to satisfy whatever 
>> marketshare is
>> out there. These things are art :-)   Same for flagship build lenses. 
>> Keep
>> building the best.  But body R&D comes out of the digi group.
>>
>> -3- APS-C Digi M. Just gotta get one out the darn door. Please make 
>> one
>> that's sturdy polycarb and doesn't cost $6K for a friggin 6-8MP 
>> sensor,
>> when every snot nose consumer will have their eye on 10MP in just a
>> few years.  Again, make it a little smaller than a current M7. Make a 
>> few
>> "special edition" traditional build digi M's to keep the collectors 
>> happy
>> and critics otherwise at bay.
>>
>> -4- Make a wide Tri Elmar - W3E to work on the digi M APS sensor.
>>
>> -5- Make an APS-C  CM-D.  Really nice 28/2 lens or thereabouts (rough
>> 40-42mm equiv.). Nice fast fixed lens, small APS-C sensor P&S with 
>> great
>> high ISO performace. Zippo shutter lag. I'd buy one of these.
>>
>> -6- License a few decent flash units, at least one smaller bounce head
>> unit that works with the TTL on the CM-D and digi-M.
>>
>> -7- Hire a good PR and advertising firm in key markets. Sell the damn
>> things to new customers (yes, still a niche).  Creepy LFI bable be 
>> damned.
>> Small, best quality, candids, B&W film standard bearer, best optics 
>> now
>> available in the digital age. The 2nd digital camera everyone wants 
>> to have
>> in their bag (SLR's are going to dominate now and for always, so 
>> basically
>> skip marketing to the RF only shooter).
>>
>> Give some of the damn things away to notable photogs in exchange for
>> adverts. Have a killer Web site - Leica shooters galleries (free), 
>> software
>> updates (free), forums, monthly contests, etc. I like the idea of
>> selling some
>> nicely priced rebranded Fuji or Ilford B&W products.  Makes those B&W
>> film shooters feel nice and secure and taken care of.  Rebrand Fuji's
>> slide processing envelopes for the chrome shooters.
>>
>> Hell, buy one of the many image editting programs out there, integrate
>> RAW processing and make it open source. Solicit end user plugins and
>> build an online database. Who knows.
>>
>> Whatever. Just some ideas. But get modern. You know, get "digital."
>> Drop the creepy, stuffy image. No more poorly translated German
>> press copy. Hell, if IBM can do it (and they sell  some very high 
>> priced
>> products), so can Leica.
>>
>> There. Plenty of imagination. Distinctive products. Modern. Priced to 
>> sell,
>> but still premium priced compared to Canon/Nikon. Nothing so gradiose 
>> that
>> it requires a Canon/Leica scale of operations. Bold enough moves to 
>> entice
>> new investors.
>>
>> Now just execute.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> David W. Almy wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c012.html
>>> http://www.imx.nl/photosite/comments/c013.html
>>>
>>> The second is of particular interest.
>>>
>>> David W. Almy
>>> Annapolis
>>>
>>>
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