Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/06/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Consider, at what mpixel size would a Digital M be able to match a film M? What value would there be attached to having more mpixels than that. Little, if any, I presume. AGS ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2005 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [Leica] The End of The "M" > I'm in for a Digital-M only if there is a warranty saying I can > get a > sensor and software update every 2 years. If the bodywork and > VF/RF last > for generations then where's the sense of putting in a sensor > system > that is obsolete within a year or two. > Douglas > > B. D. Colen wrote: > > No, if you really want the company to survive, the thing to hope > for is the > > end of the M film line and the beginning of the digital M line. > Because if > > they build it - and it is excellent, and it doesn't cost more > than current > > high-end DSLR bodies - people will definitely buy it. > Photojournalists will > > once again be using Leicas. Rich people will buy them. Not so > rich people > > will even buy them. Such a camera might just keep Leica afloat > for a while. > > > > > > On 6/8/05 4:09 PM, "Gene E. McCluney" <mccluney@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:> > > > >>>Good points, B.D.! One thing that makes me doubt any imminet "end > >>>of the M" is that I seem to recall hearing somewhere---was it here > >>>on the LUG?---that it's the R series equipment that was heavily > into>>>the red ink, and that the M series was doing rather better. > But > >>>please correct me if that recollection were mistaken. > >>> > >>>Art Peterson > >> > >> > >>It is really of no importance whether the "R" line is currently in > >>the red, or at least "redder" than the "M" line. What is > relevant is > >>rationalizing production costs in reference to a predominantly > >>Digital product output. It makes much more sense to "spin off" > a new > >>film "M" mount camera from whatever technology has to be in > place to > >>make the Digital "M" mount camera. I doubt Leica could sustain > >>multiple product lines making essentially incompatible parts > cameras.>>They will have to have a design that will work for both > digital and > >>film with little difference in core parts (except for the digital > >>bits), in order to continue making film cameras as production items. > >> > >>It is old news that the Digital "M" would have to have a metal > >>vertical running shutter, similar to the "R" cameras due to the > >>requirements of the imager chip. Who knows, maybe the shutter will > >>be outsourced from Copal even. I assume Leica will adhere to the > >>good tactile and sensory perception of their products and in the end > >>the products will be perceived as top of the line. > >> > >>Gene McCluney > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: lug-bounces+arthur.peterson=navy.mil@leica-users.org > >>>[lug-bounces+arthur.peterson=navy.mil@leica-users.org]On Behalf > >>>Of B. D. Colen > >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 15:12 > >>>To: Leica Users Group > >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] The End of The "M" > >>> > >>> > >>>Uh, "cheesy Newsweek hoax?" Isn't it odd that while the world > has been > >>>trashing Newsweek for its "cheesy hoax," verified report after > verified>>>report of Koran desecration has come out - including > from the Pentagon? Yet > >>>people speak of the "cheesy Newsweek hoax." Seems to me > Newsweek got the > >>>essential story right, and first; they were simply off on some > of what are > >>>essentially meaningless details. So if you really care one way > or another > >>>about whether Ms are made in the future, I'd hope this is more > like the > >>>weapons of mass destruction hoax (did I say that?! :-)) than > the "Newsweek > >>>hoax." > >>> > >>>Now, as to it being a troll, a hoax, etc....Who knows. But at > this point it > >>>would hardly be shocking - nor would it matter much, given that > there are > >>>enough M cameras out there to supply all those who want them > unto the second > >>>and third generations. The only people to whom the "death of > the M" will > >>>really matter are those who work making them - the rest of > those who care > >>>about Ms will have them as long as they want them. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>On 6/8/05 1:05 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" > <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Shades of Deep Throat? Perhaps he/she will be known as Wide > Aperature.>>>> > >>>> On the other hand, it might be another cheesy Newsweek hoax: > >>>> "Adherents to sacred Leica M riot over flushing of M-series." > >>>> > >>>> -Chris Lawson > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Ted writes: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Aaaaaahhhhhh the anonymous shadowy figure in the darkend > under ground > >>>>> parking lot whispers anonymously....... "The M end is near!" > >>>>> > >>>>> And the faithful fall upon their knees crying, whailing with > great>>>>>gnashing > >>>>> of teeth pleading the end not cometh! The sky fills with > blackening clouds > >>>>> and flashing Leica lightening!!!!!! Red dots rain from the > heavens for 30 > >>>>> days and 30 nights, all to avail. The end cometh sayeth the > anonymous>>>>> shadowy figure! ;-) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Leonard J Kapner offered: > >>>>> Subject: [Leica] The End of The "M" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Just to get our juices flowing this morning, here's a > message that > >>>>>> appeared In the photo.net Leica discussion group this > morning from > >>>>>>Kipling > >>>>>> Phillips: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I just talked to the manager of a large camera distributor > here in > >>>>>>Germany > >>>>>> and he told me that he's received information that the "M" > camera line is > >>>>>> to be discontinued.I can't give any names.<<< > >>>>> > >>>>> Aaaaaahhhhhh the anonymous shadowy figure in the darkend > under ground > >>>>> parking lot whispers anonymously....... "The M end is near!" > >>>>> > >>>>> And the faithful fall upon their knees crying, whailing with > great>>>>>gnashing > >>>>> of teeth pleading the end not cometh! The sky fills with > blackening clouds > >>>>> and flashing Leica lightening!!!!!! Red dots rain from the > heavens for 30 > >>>>> days and 30 nights, all to avail. The end cometh sayeth the > anonymous>>>>> shadowy figure! ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> WOW! What a great rumour to start mid-week, heck we should > get a couple > >>>>>of > >>>>> weeks worth of exciting horse hockey rumour filled key > pounding out of > >>>>>this > >>>>> one! ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> And the price on my M7's just went up a grand! ;-) Keep the > rumours going! > >>>>> ;-) > >>>>> > >>>>> ted > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information>>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Leica Users Group. > >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information>>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Leica Users Group. > >>>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Leica Users Group. > >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >