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Subject: [Leica] The End of The "M"
From: schroter at optonline.net (schroter@optonline.net)
Date: Wed Jun 8 15:00:37 2005

Consider, at what mpixel size would  a Digital M be able to match a film M?  
What value would there be attached to having more mpixels than that.  
Little, if any, I presume.  
AGS

----- Original Message -----
From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de>
Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2005 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Leica] The End of The "M"

> I'm in for a Digital-M only if there is a warranty saying I can 
> get a 
> sensor and software update every 2 years. If the bodywork and 
> VF/RF last 
> for generations then where's the sense of putting in a sensor 
> system 
> that is obsolete within a year or two.
> Douglas
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote:
> > No, if you really want the company to survive, the thing to hope 
> for is the
> > end of the M film line and the beginning of the digital M line. 
> Because if
> > they build it - and it is excellent, and it doesn't cost more 
> than current
> > high-end DSLR bodies - people will definitely buy it. 
> Photojournalists will
> > once again be using Leicas. Rich people will buy them. Not so 
> rich people
> > will even buy them. Such a camera might just keep Leica afloat 
> for a while.
> > 
> > 
> > On 6/8/05 4:09 PM, "Gene E. McCluney" <mccluney@sbcglobal.net> 
> wrote:> 
> > 
> >>>Good points, B.D.!  One thing that makes me doubt any imminet "end
> >>>of the M" is that I seem to recall hearing somewhere---was it here
> >>>on the LUG?---that it's the R series equipment that was heavily 
> into>>>the red ink, and that the M series was doing rather better. 
> But
> >>>please correct me if that recollection were mistaken.
> >>>
> >>>Art Peterson
> >>
> >>
> >>It is really of no importance whether the "R" line is currently in
> >>the red, or at least "redder" than the "M" line.  What is 
> relevant is
> >>rationalizing production costs in reference to a predominantly
> >>Digital product output.  It makes much more sense to "spin off" 
> a new
> >>film "M" mount camera from whatever technology has to be in 
> place to
> >>make the Digital "M" mount camera.   I doubt Leica could sustain
> >>multiple product lines making essentially incompatible parts 
> cameras.>>They will have to have a design that will work for both 
> digital and
> >>film with little difference in core parts (except for the digital
> >>bits), in order to continue making film cameras as production items.
> >>
> >>It is old news that the Digital "M" would have to have a metal
> >>vertical running shutter, similar to the "R" cameras due to the
> >>requirements of the imager chip.  Who knows, maybe the shutter will
> >>be outsourced from Copal even.  I assume Leica will adhere to the
> >>good tactile and sensory perception of their products and in the end
> >>the products will be perceived as top of the line.
> >>
> >>Gene McCluney
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>From: lug-bounces+arthur.peterson=navy.mil@leica-users.org
> >>>[lug-bounces+arthur.peterson=navy.mil@leica-users.org]On Behalf
> >>>Of B. D. Colen
> >>>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 15:12
> >>>To: Leica Users Group
> >>>Subject: Re: [Leica] The End of The "M"
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Uh, "cheesy Newsweek hoax?" Isn't it odd that while the world 
> has been
> >>>trashing Newsweek for its "cheesy hoax," verified report after 
> verified>>>report of Koran desecration has come out - including 
> from the Pentagon? Yet
> >>>people speak of the "cheesy Newsweek hoax." Seems to me 
> Newsweek got the
> >>>essential story right, and first; they were simply off on some 
> of what are
> >>>essentially meaningless details.  So if you really care one way 
> or another
> >>>about whether Ms are made in the future, I'd hope this is more 
> like the
> >>>weapons of mass destruction hoax (did I say that?! :-)) than 
> the "Newsweek
> >>>hoax."
> >>>
> >>>Now, as to it being a troll, a hoax, etc....Who knows. But at 
> this point it
> >>>would hardly be shocking - nor would it matter much, given that 
> there are
> >>>enough M cameras out there to supply all those who want them 
> unto the second
> >>>and third generations. The only people to whom the "death of 
> the M" will
> >>>really matter are those who work making them - the rest of 
> those who care
> >>>about Ms will have them as long as they want them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 6/8/05 1:05 PM, "mcyclwritr@comcast.net" 
> <mcyclwritr@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Shades of Deep Throat? Perhaps he/she will be known as Wide 
> Aperature.>>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, it might be another cheesy Newsweek hoax:
> >>>> "Adherents to sacred Leica M riot over flushing of M-series."
> >>>>
> >>>> -Chris Lawson 
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ted writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Aaaaaahhhhhh the anonymous shadowy figure in the darkend 
> under ground
> >>>>> parking lot whispers anonymously....... "The M end is near!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the faithful fall upon their knees crying, whailing with 
> great>>>>>gnashing
> >>>>> of teeth pleading the end not cometh! The sky fills with 
> blackening clouds
> >>>>> and flashing Leica lightening!!!!!! Red dots rain from the 
> heavens for 30
> >>>>> days and 30 nights, all to avail. The end cometh sayeth the 
> anonymous>>>>> shadowy figure! ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Leonard J Kapner offered:
> >>>>> Subject: [Leica] The End of The "M"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just to get our juices flowing this morning, here's a 
> message that
> >>>>>> appeared In the photo.net Leica discussion group this 
> morning from
> >>>>>>Kipling
> >>>>>> Phillips:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I just talked to the manager of a large camera distributor 
> here in
> >>>>>>Germany
> >>>>>> and he told me that he's received information that the "M" 
> camera line is
> >>>>>> to be discontinued.I can't give any names.<<<
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Aaaaaahhhhhh the anonymous shadowy figure in the darkend 
> under ground
> >>>>> parking lot whispers anonymously....... "The M end is near!"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the faithful fall upon their knees crying, whailing with 
> great>>>>>gnashing
> >>>>> of teeth pleading the end not cometh! The sky fills with 
> blackening clouds
> >>>>> and flashing Leica lightening!!!!!! Red dots rain from the 
> heavens for 30
> >>>>> days and 30 nights, all to avail. The end cometh sayeth the 
> anonymous>>>>> shadowy figure! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> WOW!  What a great rumour to start mid-week, heck we should 
> get a couple
> >>>>>of
> >>>>> weeks worth of exciting horse hockey rumour filled key 
> pounding out of
> >>>>>this
> >>>>> one! ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And the price on my M7's just went up a grand! ;-) Keep the 
> rumours going!
> >>>>> ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ted
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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