Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2005/06/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Peter and Karen, A film camera body is a box; a digital camera body is film with a box. IMHO we will continue to have better "film" in more expensive and newer generation digital bodies. We will also continue to have choices of digital bodies as films. DMR is Kodachrome while EOS is Ektachrome, as you put it. Cheers, MIKIRO Peter Werner wrote: > Karen, > > >>I predict we'll start to begin choosing our digital bodies based on >>factors other than sensor density and image quality. The reason you >>should chose the R9/DMR over the EOS-20D will become the same reason >>you chose the R8 over the EOS-5 ten years ago. Not because of the >>superior "film" since the film was the same, but because the >>ergonomics and other mechanics were better. > > > > May I disagree slightly? > > I have not published my conclusions on my web site because I wanted > readers to draw their own conclusions rather than starting a "Leica > Glow" religious war. > > But: the DMR produced beautiful colors that I personally prefer to the > 20D rendition. The DMR colors are warmer and subtler, the Canon cooler > and more "aggressive". It is very much a matter of personal taste, but I > prefer the DMR colors (a bit like Kodachrome 25 vs. Ektachrome). It is > very difficult to show this difference objectively, since so much > depends on how you set the parameters during Raw conversion. > > With the DMR, I generally got pleasing results right out of the camera > without need of much post processing. With the 20D I have to tweak > colors, contrast, brightness much more to get the results I like - if I > got the result at all. > > The sharpness does not differ much, the noise level at high > magnifications is very better in the DMR, but it can be noticed only at > 200-300%. > > For color rendition of the DMR, you can see better examples in the Leica > DMR Raw page on http://www.leicaphoto.net/Download/DMR_Raw/index.html. > > Here my personal choice factors: > > To sum it up, in my view the main points in favor of the DMR are > > - Better viewer > - Subtler color rendition (very personal) > - Less post processing (very personal) > - Easier open-diaphragm focusing with manual focus lenses, especially in > low light or critical focus situations like macro > - Better color TFT screen, really useful for checking the results of a > shot even in bright sunlight > - open-lens TTL exposure measurement > - More ergonomical controls, lower menu depth > - Better noise characteristics > - Easier sensor cleaning > - Transmission of lens data to the camera and EXIM file. > > Points in favor of the 20D: > > - Price > - Smaller weight and size > - TTL flash. The DMR is fully manual in flash mode, no auto TTL flash > measurement > > > Peter Werner > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: lug-bounces+pwerner=bluewin.ch@leica-users.org [mailto:lug- >>bounces+pwerner=bluewin.ch@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Karen > > Nakamura > >>Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 04:11 >>To: Leica Users Group >>Subject: Re: [Leica] Leica DMR vs. Canon 20D comparison shots >> >> >>I think we are reaching the point where the evolution of sensor >>design is plateauing and we are seeing only minimal differences >>between different platforms. And I think this is a good thing because >>it forces us to return to the original question of how we choose >>cameras. >> >>Remember that even in 2000, we could have chosen to use a Canon EOS 1 >>film body with Leica glass with an adapter. And guess what -- the >>photos would have been identical. >> >>We used to chose film bodies either because of the compatibility of >>the glass we put on it, or because of the body features, not because >>one body takes better photographs than another one. I.e., a Canon >>EOS Rebel could take an identically good photograph as a Canon EOS 1v >>with the same glass. We chose the EOS 1v because of its superior >>environmental sealing, the eyepiece shutter, build quality, >>reliability, etc. >> >>The EOS 20D is a fine camera but the base body is mid-consumer level. >>It's not even the equivalent of the film based EOS-3. The body will >>last 3-5 years, but not 5-10 and certainly not for very long in >>demanding environments. >> >>I predict we'll start to begin choosing our digital bodies based on >>factors other than sensor density and image quality. The reason you >>should chose the R9/DMR over the EOS-20D will become the same reason >>you chose the R8 over the EOS-5 ten years ago. Not because of the >>superior "film" since the film was the same, but because the >>ergonomics and other mechanics were better. >> >>Karen >> >>-- >>Karen Nakamura >>http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/ >>http://www.photoethnography.com/blog/ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Leica Users Group. >>See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >