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Subject: [Leica] Screw Mount to Leica M Bayonet Adapter problems -- not at all typical
From: leicanikon at earthlink.net (Stephen Gandy)
Date: Sat Dec 25 11:44:48 2004
References: <NEBBJDFBIKOBILIKPPBNOEJMAOAB.red735i@earthlink.net>

Frank,

do you really think that Leica would design and market a Leica screw mount to
Leica M bayonet adapter system which didn't work flawlessly ?  Mr. K is only
using the system which Leica designed and invented in the 1950's.

The troubles you are having with the adapters are in no way normal.  
Something
is wrong somewhere with 1) your technique  2) the adapter  3) the camera body
or 4) any combination of 1 to 3.

A. hand tighten the adapter on screw mount lens
B. mount the adapter and lens together on the M mount.  this will tighten up 
the
adapter to the lens.  give the lens a gentle turn to the right towards the
rewind lever / knob just to be sure.
C. after that, if all is working right, the adapter will stick to the lens 
like
glue.

D. to remove the adapter/lens combination depress the lens release and remove
like you would any other M lens
E. to remove the adapter from the lens, forget the rear lens cap adapter 
wrench
concept.  Use the M body as a lens wrench instead.  insert the adapter/lens 
into
the M camera body, and turn the lens to the left towards the advance lever.  
the
lens will unscrew and the adapter will fall off in your hand since you did 
not
lock it into place in the camera mount.

All of the above work should work easily and flawlessly.  If you are having
trouble with it, 1st tighten the lens a bit more on the adapter, then try
replacing the adapter.  last resort is having the camera mount looked at by a
good Leica tech.   in absolutely no way should the adapters become stuck on 
the
camera.

Mr. K's logic is that screw mount lenses offer far more versatility to the 
buyer
than M mount lenses, since screw mount lenses work perfectly on both screw 
mount
and M bodies, but M mount lenses only work on M mount  bodies.   Leica was 
not
doing you a favor by switching over to all M mount lenses in the 1960's.   It
was a marketing ploy to force buyers to buy M bodies in order to take 
advantage
of the newer optical designs in the M only lens mounts.  The M mount cameras
initially encountered a big back lash in the 1950's about being too large and
heavy compared to the screw mount Leicas.  The M mount only lens strategy 
was a
way to force even screw mount diehards to switch to the new M camera bodies 
--
and of course increase M body sales.

Frankly Frank, I was really surprised when I read about your adapter 
problems.
I have never personally encountered such difficulties.  But I am glad you
brought it up.

Stephen Gandy

Frank Filippone wrote:

> I think it is pretty obvious that having an adapter is "silly".  It is a
> piece of equipment that is not really necessary compared to machining a M
> rear lens mount on the LTM lenses, or even permanently gluing one on) , it
> is inconvenient, and it sticks to the bodies, and must, at times, be 
> removed
> using the equivalent of a wrench ( the back of CERTAIN Leica M mount back
> caps).  Remember, these are M cameras with M mounts, not M cameras with
> built in LTM adapters on front.
>
> I realize that you represent the CV company as a distributor of theirs.  
> You
> have done an excellent job of promoting their products.   But there remains
> a practical issue of consumer friendliness.  LTM lenses with an adapter are
> not consumer friendly to M users.  Useable, yes, but not friendly.
>
> Personally, I would pay extra NOT to have to use the adapters.  I bet there
> are others out there that feel the same way......
>
> Feel free to chime in now, gang......  CV Lenses with M mounts are 
> preferred
> over LTM lenses with M adapters......for use on a M camera.
>
> Frank Filippone
> red735i@earthlink.net
>
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