Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/26

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Subject: [Leica] Leica donation to students
From: leicagalpal at (Kit McChesney)
Date: Sun Sep 26 20:20:52 2004


If there are folks on this list who object to anything I've said, they are
all big boys and girls and can certainly address me directly. If they've
chosen to keep silent and allow you to be their registrar of complaints and
official mouthpiece, then I hope all of you are very happy together in your
exclusive private club over there, with your smoking jackets.

I apologize for losing my temper, but after what you said, who wouldn't?
This is not the first time you and I have clashed over similar issues, when
ideas have been proposed, regardless of how crazy they may seem. Allowing
people to visit 'fantasy island,' (your words) is now great ideas get
launched. That's what brainstorming is about. Allowing all the wild and
woolly ideas that people can possibly imagine to come forth, and to be
aired, responded to, modified, and refined. It's fun, and I think many of
the folks who were participating were having fun with the idea, fanciful
though it may have been. I recall your coming in on the Leica forum not too
long ago during a similar discussion titled 'Creative Marketing Ideas for
Leica's Consideration.' Things were going along very well, and then you
decided it was time to insult me for bringing up the subject. How come? What
are you so angry about, dear man? 

This list exists to allow people to have open and free discussions. There
was a very lively discussion taking place about making cameras available to
photography students--clearly in Leica's best interest to do so, to appeal
to and make itself available to the educational market, in whatever way that
it can--that was on the level of brainstorm. If you did not agree with the
content of that discussion, or did not find it worthy for your own
participation, is it necessary to knock it down with insults just to get it
to stop? If the thread is of no interest to you, why not just ignore it? 

Kind regards, and I mean that--


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of
William G. Lamb, III
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:39 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica donation to students 

Bravo, Kit!

Just the sort of response I'd have expected. Suggest you smell the roses
and grow up while you're at it. Perfect demonstration of your true colors.
Don't expect me to sit here and take personal insults from you or anyone

Everyone here is certainly entitled to his/ her opinion. As far as I'm 
no one has a right to take personal shots at anyone, especially you and B.D.

As for censorship, if the man who kindly provides this space and pays the
money wants to censor anyone, that's fine by me. I am a moderator on two
other Mailman lists and am quite adept at hitting the delete key.

Since I've had quite a lot of private mail today in support of my position
others on LUG, particularly in view of your position as a Leica Dealer, you
might want to consider cooling your jets for a bit. You never know whom
else you might offend. Or would you like a bit more rope?


At 08:06 PM 09/26/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>Guess what, William? You have not been appointed the official LUG censor.
>were actually having a very interesting brainstorm discussion here about
>one might introduce new photographers to Leica. Why do you feel it
>to quash just about every discussion that you can't personally control,
>either here or on the Leica forum?
>I'd suggest you get your wellies back on and slog on out through the stuff
>you've been dragging in and spare the rest of us your nasty vitriol.
>If you don't like what you hear, or it offends your tender sensibilities,
>you can always press the DELETE button at any time.
>As for my work? I don't have to prove anything to you or anyone else. I
>my work to whomever I choose. And I have not chosen you, for obvious
>-----Original Message-----
>[] On Behalf Of
>William G. Lamb, III
>Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 6:40 PM
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica donation to students
>Hello Kit,
>Suggest you find someone with a very tall ladder to help you dismount
>that horse before you get nose-bleed.
>Let's also have no more fantasy island for a bit shall we. I can't seem
>to find my Wellies. I'm not the only one who's tiring of all this pointless
>bibble, BTW.
>Perhaps we might even discuss Leicas for a change or look at some
>good Leica pictures? Where are yours?
>At 07:15 PM 09/26/2004 -0600, you wrote:
> >Nothing like passing on one's gifts to others. Maybe there is nothing to
> >give, that's why nothing is being given?
> >
> >Kit
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From:
> >[] On Behalf
> >B. D. Colen
> >Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:51 PM
> >To: 'Leica Users Group'
> >Subject: RE: [Leica] Leica donation to students
> >
> >
> >If the students like using them, they can save and buy their own, just
> >as I did. They are more "valuable" that way. AND I'm a poor lad who
> >worked his way through an IV League college, so I'll brook no reverse
> >snobbery on this topic.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >William
> >
> >--------
> >
> >Oh, how charmingly put:
> >
> >"no one helped me, so I will help no one else"
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