Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/09/23

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Subject: Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost Faith in Leica
From: Jim at (Jim Hemenway)
Date: Thu Sep 23 22:39:18 2004
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Peter and Nathan:

I did find it a bit hard to believe because of all the talk a year+ ago 
about the dumb-down filters.

I wonder if it isn't seen now because of better sensors in the newer 

I have a Kodak/Nikon DCS460, vintage about 1996.. with 6 mp and a 
cropping factor of 1:3.

I can use my best Nikkor lenses on it, or a crappy Sigma zoom used years 
ago on a Spotmatic... there is no difference in the results, the sensor 
is of such early design that it picks up "Christmas Tree" artifacts when 
used outdoors, (trees, railings) with any lens.


Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> Peter Klein wrote:
>> Jim:  I have no examples.  It just follows logically.  On humble Web
>> Jpegs, I can see drastic differences, wide-open or nearly so, between the
>> 35 'Lux asph and its predecessor, or even the pre-asph 35/2 Summicron
>> wide-open.  Even the humble 3 megapixel 1/1.8 sensor on my Nikon Coolpix
>> 990 can resolve greater detail than can be shown on a Web jpeg, so I'm
>> certain a 6mp DSLR can show it, too.  Ergo. . .
>> Also note that Nathan (and others) have noted that they can see the
>> difference on Canon DSLR shots between their Leica R lenses and the Canon
>> or Sigma lenses.
> Peter is right. The difference is clear. I don't care what the science 
> says, I don't know about what kind of anti-aliasing filter or whatever 
> my Canon 10D has. But I do know that when I put the 100mm Apo Macro on 
> it I get better pictures than I do with the Canon 85mm lens (which is no 
> slouch either), and when I put my newly aquired Canon 17-40mm L zoom on 
> it, the pictures are much better than those I got with the (now sold) 
> Sigma 17-35mm. All this talk about how with digital sensors lens quality 
> does not matter is bunk, based on my experience.
> Nathan

In reply to: Message from pklein at (Peter Klein) (Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost Faith in Leica)
Message from nathan.wajsman at (Nathan Wajsman) (Digital M/Digital Rebel was Re: [Leica] Lost Faith in Leica)