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Subject: Fw: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
From: max_weisenfeld at (Max Weisenfeld)
Date: Wed Sep 22 13:23:57 2004


 Kodak consumer films:
 Kodak Pro films:
 BW400CN (and Ilford XP2, for that matter)  are very different critters than 
silver films.  The C-41 films, in my experience, yield less contrast and 
edge sharpness, and more shadow detail when handled well.  They have a 
smooth transition from light to dark that I like for portraits, and often 
less grain in low-light (IMHO).   My work is not the best example of the 
abilities though.  Take a look at Graham's:  (the T400CN he uses is the 
previous version of BW400CN, he must have a big freezer). Max ----- Original 
Message -----> From: "Jim Nichols" <>> To: "Leica Users 
Group" <>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:36 PM> 
Subject: RE: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film>>>> Dan,>>>> My experience 
with C41 film has been limited to Kodak BW400-2, thecomsumer>> film 
available at Wal-Mart.  In some instances, it appears to offer less>> 
contrast and more bland images than I recall from my years of using>> 
silver-based film.  I was just looking for comments from others abouttheir>> 
experiences with this type of film.  I have actually made a few very good>> 
images with the film, so my problem may stem more from my technique than>> 
from the film.>> I was also curious about the differences in Kodak films of 
this type.  Do>> you know of a reference website that explains the various 
films and their>> intended uses?>>>> Jim Nichols>>>>>>> [Original 
Message]>>> From: Dan Colucci <>>>> To: Leica Users 
Group <>>>> Date: 9/22/2004 7:17:25 AM>>> Subject: RE: 
[Leica] Black and White C41 Film>>>>>> James - I have read your comments 
twice - what are you saying ?  I find>>> Kodak Portra BW400, used in 
contrasty lighting, is just superb with>>> final tonal range and superb 
detail...Edge sharpness is lacking, but I>>> enjoy the smoot
h tonality, especially for portraits>>>>>> Dan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----->>> From:>>> 
[] On Behalf Of>>> 
JAMES NICHOLS>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:27 PM>>> To:>>> Subject: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film>>>>>> 
Comparing results with C41 B&W to the results I got with Plus-X, Super>>> 
XX, and Tri-X in the 1950s and 60s when I had my own darkroom, I have>>> 
been somewhat disappointed.  Though, without a darkroom, it appears to>>> be 
the most convenient way to shoot B&W.  However, after pulling the>>> image 
below from a cluttered negative taken amid the confusion of a>>> wedding 
rehearsal supper, I find that, if I do my job, the film will>>> take care of 
itself.  The image shows the bride-to-be, my granddaughter,>>> in a 
reflective mood after a busy day, with an even busier day ahead.>>>>>>>>>>>> Leica IIIf RD, 
Summitar 5cm f/2.0>>> Exposure 1/50 at f/2.8>>> Kodak BW400-2>>>>>>>>> JAMES 
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