[Leica] new 1ds mark II

[bdcolen at earthlink.net (B. D. Colen)]

First, a humble apology - You're right about the cards - I wasn't
thinking of that ludicrous file size. On the other hand, no one is going
to use that thing for PJ banging off shots machine gun style.

And when you start to talk about trusting one drive, etc, you seem to be
assuming that someone is starting from absolute scratch - which I can't
imagine someone going for this camera doing.

And I'm comparing it to the Leica back because you made the comment
about its price in comparison to the Leica.

But hey, Feli, I'm not trying to get into a brawl with you over this or
anything else. Frankly, I can't imagine why anyone would want this
thing, unless they're now shooting 2 1/4 and mostly doing studio
work...As far as I'm concerned, most of my work can be easily done with
a 5-6 mgp camera. After that, it's all gravy.

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
[mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
Feli di Giorgio
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:36 PM
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: RE: [Leica] new 1ds mark II


On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 12:04, B. D. Colen wrote:
> Wow, you sure rack up those numbers fast...$1500 for CF cards? You can

> get a 1gig, 80x card for about $139 - call it $140.

Considering that you can only get about 20 shots at full res on a 1GB
card (1024MB / 50MB = 20.48), I would think you would need at least 10
of them. Would you go on a job with less than 10 rolls? A lot of
shooters tend to "machine gun" their subjects these days and pick the
"decisive moment" out of a sequence generated by a frame burst. Maybe
you want to run in a dual card setup where the RAW files go to one and
JPGS to another so you can transmit asap.



> So even if you need
> four of them, that's $560, not $1500! And disk space? I just bought an

> external 250 gig usb2/firewire drive for $299. Where are you getting 
> these numbers? :-)

I would not trust a single drive system with a paying job. I would build
a mirrored array about 500MB in size, which would be failsafe short of
the building burning down. So, by the time you buy the drives, a case
and a raid controller plus software you are looking at a solid $1000
bucks. $1500 may have been a little high, but you still have to figure
out a reliable longterm storage solution and that's not a backup on to
DVD/CD or tape. Maybe sending the frames to a film recorder as an
additional safety precaution would be a smart thing to do...



> Yes, if you already have a fortune invested in an R system, and don't 
> want to dump it, then it might make sense to go with the back...But if

> not...My point is that you were saying the full-frame Canon is 
> expensive, when in fact it offers infinitely more in the way of both 
> features and image potential than the R back, yet is virtually the 
> same price as the R back. So if the Canon is over priced, what's the R

> back?
> ;-)


I never compared it to the R-back. To me that's a whole different
ballgame. And if I was a shooting pro I would have serious concerns
about using the R-back on a daily basis as my main or perhaps only body.
If I was using a camera which is entirely electronic and sensitive to
dust and moisture I would want as much sealing as I could get and that
means buying a pro level Nikon or Canon.


Feli


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