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Subject: [Leica] audio from ground zero arrests
From: s.dimitrov at (Slobodan Dimitrov)
Date: Thu Sep 9 15:47:36 2004

Just wait when a brain wave scan in the field can be made possible. You can
bet that the front line usage will be in the area of police enforcement.
S. Dimitrov

> From: Kyle Cassidy <>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <>
> Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 18:34:11 -0400
> To: "''" <>
> Subject: [Leica] audio from ground zero arrests
> here's a link to susan's audio file, from the time she started the 
> interview
> as the march began to the time we were told we were under arrest is 58
> seconds. you'll hear my voice in there, confused at first, thinking that
> they meant that there were people behind us j-walking who had been 
> arrested,
> later we discovered that wasn't what they meant, they meant that 
> _everybody_
> was under arrest. we had no idea we were doing anything illegal, so we
> assumed it was people behind us. that night we discovered the arrests
> weren't for j-walking but for walking on the sidewalk more than 2 abreast.
> the scary thing, and i think the thing that makes this relevant to the LUG,
> is that they were locking up people with press credentials AND, they
> confiscated the cameras and film of everybody arrested as "evidence". in my
> best, hopefully fair and balanced, objective journalist view, these arrests
> were completely unwarrented. i doubt any of the charges will result in a
> conviction, but the use of arrest as a preventative measure, arresting
> someone because they, _or someone they are with_ may or may not commit a
> crime at a future time, especially when the crime they may commit is
> unspecified, is abhorrent. this means that ANY AMATURE PHOTOGRAPHER OUT
> THERE, deciding to "go down to the protests and take some photos" -- as is
> not uncommon on this list, would have ended up arrested, in jail, leica's
> confiscated because they happened to be photographing someone who might 
> hold
> an unpopular opinion or have designs on blocking traffic.
> kyle
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