Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/08/17

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Subject: [Leica] The cat came back...
From: mcintyre at (Jim McIntyre)
Date: Tue Aug 17 20:05:32 2004
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I appreciate your response. I must admit that I chose this image to post
more for the personal feeling it evoked rather than any timeless nature I
thought it had. Your comment about the PAW concept is noted. The PAW process
is by its nature rather arbitrary, although many on the LUG have achieved a
thematic consistency, which is a tribute to their artistry. I'm reminded of
Dechamp's famous statement about the expressed but unintended  vs the
intended but unexpressed. At times as aspiring image makers we see more in
our images -- because we were there -- than is acutally in the bare

However, sometimes the "curious" image is one that evokes a response. I find
it very interesting that images that I think are great (and I'm by no means
claiming my current posting as one) get little if any response, but other
images that I thought would be mundane, boring or run of the mill get the
accolades. I guess thats's the value I appreciate the most from the LUG


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lea" <>
To: "Leica Users Group" <>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] The cat came back...

> Jim
> I took a look at your image and I find it to be technically very good
> with regards to lighting and tonality.
> My question in looking at this picture (and most every picture) is
> 'why'. Why are three very beautiful young girls standing around with
> pancake ears, clearly posing for the camera? What is to be gained by
> this? What do we know about them? What have we learned by this
> photograph that we didn't know before? What happened before this moment?
> What is likely to happen next?
> For me, there are not clear answers to these questions and that bothers
> me. I can't make sense of the similar shirts, the funky posing and the
> place...are they part of a cooking team? Are they in a school cafeteria?
> Are they in a cooking class at Disneyland? Are they cooking your
> breakfast?
> I'm certain that this image makes sense to YOU and that is a good thing.
> Looking at it without knowing the details is a bit unsettling because
> nothing about it clears up any of the questions I have. And that is part
> of the problem, I think, with posting images to the PAWs and the web in
> often the image has meaning to the person who took it and
> to those who are familiar with the events photographed but outsiders
> can't make heads nor tails out of things.
> When I view an image it has about 5 seconds to make an impression of
> good or bad and only if it's really, really impressive do I take the
> time and trouble to make a comment. That doesn't mean I didn't
> just means it didn't move me to respond.
> Are you satisfied to hear your images are technically well excecuted
> (which I suspect you already know) or do you want to hear critique of
> what the image says to a viewer?
> Lea
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim McIntyre" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:27 PM
> Subject: [Leica] The cat came back...
> Hello LUG
> I unsubscribed a few weeks ago. I was a little annoyed with some of the
> off-topic chatter, the "cliquish" and self-serving dialogue, and the
> general meandering of the group, etc. More to the point, I posted 5
> PAW's in a row, and got zero -- nada -- feedback. I'm under no delusions
> that I'm the next HBC, or anything close, but I do think I have
> something to offer. And I really do appreciate feedback -- laudatius or
> otherwise. The lack of response is worse than negative (and hopefully
> constructive) feedback. It's like talking to a dead phone line....
> However, I have been checking the LUG archives, and looking at the
> posts. I've skipped over the more off-topic messages (which admittedly
> can be quite entertaining and educational), stayed away from the
> vitriolic political threads, and checked all the PAW and photograph
> postings I could. The truth is I have valued the feedback I have
> received in the past, and knowing I had an "obligation" to keep up my
> PAW activities for the LUG kept me active with my camera (no small
> challenge with rebuilding a career and 3 kids...).
> So I'm back. And to put my money where my keyboarding is, I've posted a
> PAW:
> Slam away, lambaste me for using my nieces and daughter as convenient
> subjects, but please, let me know you took the time to view my work, and
> by all means let know what I can do to improve. No photographer should
> work in vacuum...except to remove the dust from the negatives!
> ciao...
> Jim
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