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Subject: [Leica] Why a digital M
From: robertmeier at usjet.net (robertmeier@usjet.net)
Date: Tue Jul 13 08:09:25 2004
References: <200407131413.i6DEDsgE096442@server1.waverley.reid.org>

So Graphlex's rollfilm adapters weren't as good as a roll fill camera.
That means that no adapter is any good?  When Leica brought out the bayonet
lens camera they also brought out adapters to use the screwmount lenses on
the new bayonet camera.   The old lenses worked perfectly with the adapter
on the new camera.   And still do.   No loss of function.   No
inconvenience.  Minimal expense.  I would conclude from that that adapters
can be the ideal bridge between two technologies.

Bob


> There's an obvious analogy to all this:
>
> Several decades ago it became apparent that the old sheet film Graphics
were
> becoming obsolete, as photographers gravitated toward rollfilm cameras
such
> as Rolleiflex and the Kodak Medalist.  To meet the demands of a changing
> market, the Graphic folks introduce a rollfilm adaptor.
>
> Anyone else on this list ever use the Graphic rollfilm adaptor?  Yeah, it
> did work, but....it sure wasn't a Rolleiflex.
>
> Most photographers opted for cameras that were specifically designed for
> rollfilm.  Graphic eventually did produce rollfilm cameras (and a 35 or
> two), but these paled in comparison with the competition.
>
> An adaptor to a Leica will still be an adaptor.
>
> Jim Shulman
> Bryn Mawr, PA
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+jshul=comcast.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of B. D.
> Colen
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:48 AM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Why a digital M
>
> Reasonable? Switch sensors at "nominal cost?" Come on guys, get real. I
> wouldn't expect any company to do that - upgrade the firmware for free?
> Sure. But not the sensor.
>
> Face it - what they give you is what you get. And what they're going to
> give you is going to be VERY pricey and far from ideal. It may be 'good
> enough' for what you want to do, and the price may not deter you. So buy
> it and use it in good health. But don't expect anything at a give-away
> price; don't expect any real innovation; and don't expect a camera that
> is up to the top digital standards at the time of release. ;-)
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Leonard J Kapner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:40 AM
> To: 'Leica Users Group'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Why a digital M
>
>
> Bob,
>
> This sounds like a reasonable if somewhat complicated approach, but it's
> not a bad idea if Leica want to stem the tide of defection. But who
> knows? It may already be too late, as B.D. has recently suggested...
>
> Len
>
> -- 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+ljkapner=cox.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Afterswift@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:29 PM
> To: lug@leica-users.org
> Subject: [Leica] Why a digital M
>
>
> In a message dated 7/12/04 7:23:50 PM, lug-request@leica-users.org
> writes:
>
> << to put it really bluntly, why would anyone in his or her right mind
> pay 5500K - for example - for an "M" body when for the same amount of
> money he or she could buy an 8 mpg Canon Eos MkII and an array of
> Canon's best lenses? >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
> --
> --------------
> If Leica Solms wants to jump into the digital sea with an M, then let
> its
> frames show the standard film lenses with the APS sensor subframes and
> guarantee
> to buyers that Leica will update the sensor frame to full 35mm at
> nominal cost
> when it becomes available. So the digital M would have modular
> construction.
>
>
> >From personal experience with the fast D70 and standard Nikkor film
> >lenses,
> I
> found that the APS sized sensor can produce professional quality images.
> The
> present full 35mm frame 13MP sensor used in the Kodak 14n leaves a lot
> to be
>
> desired from reports I've read. The Kodak 14n is rather ponderous.
>
> Bob
>
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